Perspicacious, eh? Sweaty? grin.
No one's mentioned photography's magic dirty little
secret: What you choose to show is vital. What percentage
of your shots would you show on PUG, for example?
For me, right now, selecting shots to scan/keep is
the real magic. I mean, you should see some of
Hi, Lon,
From a post of mine from last night, on another thread:
I'm gradually learning
that taking photographs is only a small part of this endeavor. Choosing what
to show is just as important.
Ha!!
Seriously, you're right. When one shoots a coupla rolls a week, the photos add up.
It's
I like to hear both pro and con of the pictures i send in.This helps me in deciding if
i
need to change a
framing or lightinng for that particular style of subject matter,or keep things the way
they are for the
time being.I have pretty thick skin.although Shel came close to breaking it on
Holy cats, you're pushing all my buttons tonight, Marnie. :-)
TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
I think you possibly you may have missed the ironic tone in my post and
missed my other comments in other posts. Unless you are being ironic also. ;-) Or
very deliberately making a point.
Such as IMHO, it is art
The composer is always right, no matter how far of historically he may be.
:-)
Paul Delcour
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I thought you meant Louis... Idea is the same.
:-)
Paul Delcour
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However, one of the most successful musicians of our
time could not read a note of music. I'm sure you all know who that was.
Errr...Bob Dylan?
(A cultural imbecile writes)
Peter
I love looking at all of the PUG monthly photos, but I do not feel qualified
to comment on the photos insofar as offering praise, criticism, or
suggestions for improvement. What I think would work, if it would be
possible, is if there were some sort of a rating system (number 1-5, 5 being
the
Doug,
I am going to postscript myself to be very, very clear. Sometimes I am not
clear.
Despite the fact that I think art is very, very subjective -- in both the
creation and the response to it, I think people like feedback. And some
critiquing can be of real value. And the creator can always
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I doubt it was a claim Cash made himself. It was most likely something
others knew about him.
I don't know how comfortable I feel with that. I've never liked scoring art.
It's hard, for instance, to score composition, since no one seems to be able to
agree if there are even rules of composition, and even those who say there are
such rules admit that sometimes they have to be or can be
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I don't know how comfortable I feel with that. I've never liked scoring
art.
It's hard, for instance, to score composition, since no one seems to be
able to
agree if there are even rules
That's silly. There are no qualifications needed to comment on photographs.
All you have to do is write down how you felt or experienced looking at it,
and maybe why. This isn't judging a photo competition where you have to look
for all sorts of arcane details.
BR
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The opposite could happen, though. While some people will gradually
change their style to accomodate the criticisms
Quite easily doable, technically. In fact it would be fairly straightforward
to automate the procedure, and use dynamic HTML scripting to add sliders and
a button you could click on to submit your ratings to a PUG database.
But it still might not be all that good an idea. If you rate my image
Hi,
Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 4:31:55 PM, you wrote:
Time to get into the fray.
I have long disagreed with the concept that something is art simply because
someone calls it art. The lady urinating in the bucket would be a good
example of it. I'm slowly revising my position. People can
Well, Bob,
This is at least the third post you've made on these threads. Maybe it is a
waste of time, but I find it interesting and somewhat seductive.
Watching Monday Night Football is a spectacular waste of time, too, but millions
do it anyway! vbg
Yeah, we're arguing Angels on the Head of
Hi,
I entirely agree.
Bob
Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 10:32:11 PM, you wrote:
Well, Bob,
This is at least the third post you've made on these threads. Maybe it is a
waste of time, but I find it interesting and somewhat seductive.
Watching Monday Night Football is a spectacular waste of
Not quite keeping up, but spotting occasional messages here and
there. This jumped out at me:
Now, what if there were a professional
critic there who were to disagree with the way we played the music. Who
would be correct, the critic, or us, who had the benefit of the composer's
desire for
Wow! This little parable raises so many issues, I don't know where to begin.
I'll likely think about this for a while before responding (if I do choose to
respond at all) directly to the initial post.
But, at first blush, I think I find Paul's response to be more meaningful to me
than the
I also enjoyed the original post and find it food for thought (and I am not
finished thinking about it yet.)Anyway I have kept it in my files.
Meanwhile, other comments --
frank mentioned comments-from-mother vs. comments-from-others and I just
thought I'd share: My own mother used to just say
Hi,
Monday, September 22, 2003, 7:39:34 PM, you wrote:
Who would be correct, the critic, or us, who had the benefit of the composer's
desire for how it should sound? Seems to me the same would apply to a
photographer's interpretation of his image.
Don't have time right now to go dig up the
Well, I now have a bit of time, so I can respond to the original post, with a
couple of more thoughts that I didn't mention when I answered Paul's post
directly. I'll try my best not to repeat anything (but no promises) g.
First, I think one should remember that one doesn't simply become an
he claimed he could not.
Herb
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True. I enjoy music but don't claim to understand it -- especially the
twelve tonal
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O well, this brings up a lot.
Indeed.
The painter student's story ends where he will have to develop a style of
his own to be more than a clone of his master. Then to be taught confidence
in his own work despite criticism is
I too, miss PUG comments, but I'm in the same boat as you. My shots rarely get
mentioned, except for by those who take the time to comment on ~every~ shot (and
then the comments have always been good), and back when Brogden organized the
little critique circle a year or more ago - again, never a
Whether one is an artist or not is, I think, simply a matter of intent.
If ones intent is to produce art than one is an artist. Now I am willing
to admit that becoming a good artist, much less a great one, can take
years or even decades of hard work, but whether one is an artist is
simply a
Come on, Tom,
It's never as simple as that.
That is never a simple concept...
g
cheers,
frank
graywolf wrote:
major snippage It is as
simple as that.
--
Hell is others
-Jean Paul Sartre
Hi,
Monday, September 22, 2003, 10:31:50 PM, you wrote:
Now, in my local camera club here, there has been a lot of head-shaking and
sighing over the low quality, and that is only a publicity stunt. But is it?
Excerpt from 'The Camera Club Guide to Photography'*:
1. First, stick your head
But, seriously, Tom,
Geez, you know, I wish I could express myself as well in these sorts of discussions
as some. I'm just not articulate when it comes to things artistic. Unfortunately
for this list, that won't stop me from trying... g
On the whole, your thesis makes sense. There are a
Hi,
Monday, September 22, 2003, 10:24:34 PM, you wrote:
Whether one is an artist or not is, I think, simply a matter of intent.
If ones intent is to produce art than one is an artist. Now I am willing
to admit that becoming a good artist, much less a great one, can take
years or even
At 08:11 PM 9/22/2003 +0300, you wrote:
True. I enjoy music but don't claim to understand it -- especially the
twelve tonal stuff. However, one of the most successful musicians of our
time could not read a note of music. I'm sure you all know who that was.
Those 4 guys from Liverpool, maybe?
-
At 05:34 PM 9/22/2003 +0200, Feroze Kistan wrote:
With the recent thread about evaluating photgraphs, I thought I'd share this
with the list.
Regards,
Feroze
The Painter's Mistakes
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Great story that offers a lot of food for thought. I may be reading into
it too much, but I'd take the
Whatever the intention of the creator of a piece, the viewer must have a say
as to
whether a piece is art or not. If a piece is not art, how can its creator be
an
artist? And why can't art be produced by a non-artist?
I'm really confused now...
cheers,
frank
IMHO, it is art is if the
criticism. in my case, it was crude and demeaning alterations.
Herb
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With the recent thread about evaluating
OTOH, I could be completely wrong here! Wouldn't be the first time. vbg
cheers,
frank
Why no comments: people are busy, people are unassertive, people are afraid
to criticize, people only have time to look, writing comments involves more
time.
Any time I've been in a group where it is
Well, yeah,
That's the problem with doing it yourself, isn't it?
If you do only a few (your favourites), are you insulting those who you don't comment
upon?
If you comment on all of them, then you have to be honest with all of them, and let's
face it, the odd clunker does get in there, doesn't
Well, as I said earlier, I wonder then if something can be art, regardless of the
intention of it's creator.
Conversely, I'd wonder about something that only it's creator considers art, and no
one else. That could end up being a very narrow definition of art.
I can't help but think that some
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