Hi Mark,
Here's the list of Rivendell's I have either owned or had a chance to ride
- Sam 51, Appaloosa 46 & 51, Clem 45, Atlantis 50 and Homer 47.5
Boots is on the Appaloosa/Atlantis/Clem end of the spectrum. The ride
feels relatively more 'stable' (likely because the small size fits me
Such a tease! Looking forward to more photos of that adventure!cheers,Andrew
in Oz
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Here's a wee preview of this past week's adventure, Boots in his element in
full gear. Bottom line is I
Aye, Mike.
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So what rims are you using Deacon, Velocity cliffhangers?
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> On Jun 21, 2019, at 9:49 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
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> Here's a wee preview of this past week's adventure, Boots in his element in
> full gear. Bottom line is I have to recalibrate what
Here's a wee preview of this past week's adventure, Boots in his element in
full gear. Bottom line is I have to recalibrate what is ridable. The geometry
and plus tires are a delightful combination ...
https://snap.as/me/photos/WUrbNiF
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There are different levels of finish for fillet brazing. I understand the
Lyon/Norther bikes are mostly Jeff just laying in the brass, not much
filing. I have an old Viscount where they obviously left it completely raw
(and some pinholes, boo.) I would imagine the Hilli-builder would do some
"It was earlier stated that the selected builder can complete 1.5 fillet
frames a day."
Here's one hour of the reason why. From Brian at Chapman Cycles
https://www.instagram.com/p/By8C2DPldjC/
On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 5:38:43 PM UTC-4, Abcyclehank wrote:
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> Today’s Riv email stated that
Ash, how "upright" is the build on that Boots? I'm pretty much out of the game
for regular bikes now - I'm currently riding a Crank Forward semi-recumbent -
because of arthritis in my right hand, but am hopeful I can find a workaround
eventually. It might be worth a trip to RBW to take a spin
Hi Ash. Thanks for the mini review. How does it compare to other Rivs? Have
you had a chance to ride a Clem? Clemsters are quite upright friendly!
I spoke with a Riv spokesperson and I thought he said presale in September.
But now it's starting to sound like possibly sooner, and maybe the
I had a chance to ride the small Boots when I visited the world HQ last
weekend. The bike was real fun. The design is natural evolution of Riv
philosophy. I'm 100% on board. Except for out and out road biking, I
think this bike can serve almost any other needs I can imagine. Touring,
Today’s Riv email stated that they are awaiting the arrival of the Susies
(lighter sub 165lb rider) version of Gus. Once tested the the presale will
occur. It was earlier stated that the selected builder can complete 1.5 fillet
frames a day. A large variable will be the number of bikes
Has riv given a time estimate of when the gus frame/bikes will be available for
purchase? This year or next year?
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Thought this was a new post. Almost had a heart attack. Planning to order an
XL Gus; but would grab the demo if made available to ride until the full
release and then gift the demo to a friend without a Riv.
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The only bike I have that I think sucks without discs is my 90s Burley
tandem.
On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 08:38 Jonathan D. wrote:
> As a reminder Grant was open to discs but the Riv team didn’t want them on
> this bike. I really admire their commitment to their vision and mission.
> It is what makes
Staying abroad for a bit and seeing a lot of electric "bikes" and scooters
all over the place. All on disc brakes, most on small diameter wheels with
fat tires, many making noise upon application. Extra weight of discs,
"harsh ride", blah blah blah – all of that is mitigated by a kW-hrs of
I agree. From a pure business standpoint — and I *know* Riv is about more than
that — if other companies are profiting by selling what are essentially
Rivendell bikes with disc brakes, then Rivendell may as well make those bikes
themselves.
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I agree. Mark makes good points, but, from a pure business perspective — and I
*know* Riv is about more than that — if other companies are going to
essentially make Riv bikes with disc brakes, then Rivendell might as well do it
themselves, do it better, and get the money.
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I have been thinking about that as well. Mark makes good points, but, from a
pure business perspective — and I *know* Riv is about more than that — if other
companies are just going to essentially make Riv bikes with disc brakes, then
Rivendell might as well do it themselves, do it better, and
Of course talking about disc brakes on this bike is an exercise in
futility, but it is interesting to consider their use in the industry today
and in the future. For me, I look at a company like Crust Bikes and see
more or less a humongous bite out of Riv's market share. The Evasion is
Mark in Beacon’s post makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for the thoughtful
post.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that. Iconley mentioned disc brakes in the
TdF, and I remembered that Jan Heine had written a blog post about it. I
thought some people here might enjoy reading Jan's post. No endorsement was
meant.
Again, I haven't used disc brakes extensively and my subsequent
I didn’t see anyone in the TDF on mountain bikes either.
Also, as soon as the UCI allowed discs in cyclocross races, everybody switched.
It was two or three years and every racer was on discs, and that is because
they are the better brake for the application.
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But we're unracers...
On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 1:42:16 PM UTC-7, lconley wrote:
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> Google 2018 Tour de France winning bicycle. Do you see disc brakes? No,
> you don't. If you are barreling down a mountain in Europe at 60+ mph and
> disc brakes were actually superior to rim brakes, you
I don't think anyone here is making the case that racing bikes with skinny
tires should have disc brakes.
William
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On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 1:56 PM, S < sbl...@gmail.com > wrote:
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>
>
> Yes, Jan Heine wrote a post about that. In the first year that TdF riders
> were
Yes, Jan Heine wrote a post about that. In the first year that TdF riders were
allowed to use disc brakes, they used them in just one TT stage, and only then
because of pressure from the manufacturers.
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On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 1:32:06 PM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
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> Heyo,
>
> Not sure if this was on people's radar or not, but it looks like there is
> a pair of GBW on the web specials page on Riv, for what I imagine will end
> up being a bargain. I'd grab one, but I am a wee bit too small
Google 2018 Tour de France winning bicycle. Do you see disc brakes? No, you
don't. If you are barreling down a mountain in Europe at 60+ mph and disc
brakes were actually superior to rim brakes, you would have disc brakes on
your bicycle because your life and career depend on them.
Laing
I agree the ship has sailed on the Gus Boots, but I think whether or not
Rivendell should ever make a disc bike is an interesting question. I don’t have
an answer. And maybe it is just too contentious a topic to discuss on this
forum. If Grant was open to disc brakes, however, I would be
They could create a mullet option – an optional disc fork for $100 more,
standard frame with rim brakes in the back. Most of the practical benefits of
disc brakes come from the front end, and the resulting irreverence and lack of
symmetry would be quite Rivendellian IMO.
William
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At this point all disc talk is howling at the moon, the bike has v-brakes. If
it sells well everybody wins, and I hope it does.
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In my observation (relatively new here) reading various threads over last
couple of years, it is apparent that (a) most in Riv community prefer rim
brakes (b) Increasing number of folks who either want or are open to disc
brakes. There are a few bikes out there that offer both (Surly Troll,
That’s interesting. I would have liked to hear that conversation. I was
initially against the idea, but after doing more research, I am no longer sure.
I still don’t think Rivendell should go to disc on all their bikes, but would
one disc bike hurt? No need to answer that question. “Selling a
That’s interesting. I would have liked to hear that conversation. I was
initially against the idea, but after doing more research, I am no longer sure.
I still don’t think Rivendell should go to disc on all their bikes, but would
one disc bike hurt? Please don’t answer that question. I am not
As a reminder Grant was open to discs but the Riv team didn’t want them on this
bike. I really admire their commitment to their vision and mission. It is what
makes Riv so great.
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This reminds me of an axiom from the Jeep world, if you'll forgive an
automotive analogy. Every Jeep enthusiast is said to have a favorite generation
(CJ2A, CJ7, YJ, etc), and considers anything older a hopelessly anachronistic
piece of junk, and anything newer a horrible overreach of
I doubt it's a black and white issue for Rivendell. From what I have read,
I think Grant sees bikes continually developing toward the e-bike model,
with more and more of the technology becoming "black box." You might argue
that disc brakes, in and of themselves, are not that. But taken with
We’ve had 4(?) straight up calls for cash in the last year. I’ve contributed to
all. Bought a frame for one. I’d be concerned about anyone saying they aren’t
concerned.
I truly believe discs would engage a whole new population. I also don’t think
in bicycle black
And white terms. If a disc
Bro, the hill I'm dying on is I'm worried about Riv, especially after hearing
the Roadini didn't sell well. I understand people disagreeing with my opinion
on the subject, but not understanding my motives for promoting it bewilders me.
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I can’t recall anybody from RBW saying “disc brakes suck”. Seems to me they
just don’t buy the argument that disc brakes rule, and choose not to follow
that trend. As not following industry trends is part of their modus operandi,
this instance doesn’t surprise me much. Nor does it particularly
To me it just seems like a totally unnecessary stand to take. I have a disc and
rim bike. I like both. They both stop. My Atlantis is my favorite, but I do
worry about wide rim availability. What is there beyond the cliffhanger?. The
world has moved to discs, and I think it has pros and cons
Oh I'm definitely howling at the moon, S. It's not changing any minds at Riv (I
tried), and it just ends up pissing people off here. I'm out!
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Several bikes in the current line-up are going away, some permanently, so I
expect there to be less model overlap by the end of the year. But I hear
you. That's why I asked how the GBW is different from the Clem.
I wouldn't say you're howling at the moon regarding disc brakes. Like it or
not,
Several bikes in the current line-up are going away, some permanently, so I
expect there to be less model overlap by the end of the year. But I hear
you. That's why I asked how the GBW is different from the Clem.
I wouldn't say you're howling at the moon regarding disc brakes. Like it or
not,
It was a wonderful courtesy, Colin! Thank you. It was your post that alerted me
to the demo bike being available and led to the purchase (a complete surprise
to me, courtesy of me loving and supportive wife who amazes and humbles and
elevates me daily!).
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Hm, here I thought this would just be a courtesy to folks who were
interested in buying a Gus...whoops!
I'll throw in my two cents here then. I rode a Clem Smith with 2.4 knobbies
in a MTB race last weekend and didn't die AND I beat half the crowd (with a
20 minute beer/margarita brake in the
It seems silly to you. I think it's just as valid an opinion as totally loving
the bike and expressing THAT opinion. I only got into again here because
someone else brought it up, and am only expressing my concerns about marketing
and sales. It's clearly a great bike that will work for the
I’ve started a new thread on why I’m excited for Boots. It seems silly to
lament or arm-chair quarterback a man following his bliss, especially one with
a track record of changing the industry multiple times who has successfully run
a company for over 25 years.
My experience with SRAM hydraulic brakes is with the low end stuff. I'm happy
to be corrected if their higher end brakes are good. As for BB7s, I only had
trouble with one set, and I solved that by putting in new pads, and following
the setup instructions to the letter. No issues since.
I'm
As I said, Riv already has several dirt/trail/gravel-worthy bikes. My concern
is GBW will land in a valley between Rivs people already have and the type of
equipment people want for gnarlier/steeper terrain.
Also like I said, I'm howling at the moon. We had this whole debate endlessly
last
100% agreed. Glad Riv is still making quality rim brake bikes. I was
searching for a Trucker or Karate Monkey with rim brakes before I bought
the Riv. Glad I got the Riv.
Regarding discs, BB7's, those have been the most finicky brakes I've had
to-date. Shimano hydraulics have been
I understand about marketing, and I am not questioning anyone’s right to an
opinion, but comparing the GBW to the Jones seems a bit like comparing apples
and oranges.
Rivendell has always been about sticking to what they like. If you want a steel
frame with disc brakes, there are a ton of
I understand about marketing, and I am not questioning anyone’s right to an
opinion, but Rivendell has always been about going their own way and sticking
to what they like. If you want a steel frame with disc brakes, there are a ton
of choices. On the other hand, steel frames with canti/v-brake
To be clear I would probably ride and love the GBW as is, I'm not particularly
gung ho for huge tires and all that. I just don't think there's a lot of buyers
out there like me, and the "like me's" probably already own a rim brake Riv
that works in the dirt. Like my Atlantis.
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If you REALLY want disc brakes on a Riv frame( GBW) I’d say have some disc
mounts put on, that’s what I did on my Atlantis and now Joe App. I had a
brace put in the rear to triangulate the chainstay/ seatstay, make it
stronger. It does open up some rim options, especially for the GBW.
I agree with this, Christopher. I actually did chuck a set of Sram disc
brakes in the garbage...they were lower level, probably the Level t or
something. They just sucked and I could not get them to bite correctly. I
have Sram Guide RS on my Trek Remedy now and they have been trouble free
and
He does not like them, he does not believe in them. Which is fine as an opinion
- anybody can like or dislike anything they want - but my opinion is geared
towards marketing. Riv needs this bike to sell and I think rim brakes are an
impediment to that goal. So there ya go.
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Interesting. I will look into the brakes you mention. Maybe a disc bike is in
my future. That said, GP must have good reasons not to use disc brakes. He has
thought longer and more deeply about these issues than me or probably almost
anyone.
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Disc brakes are a mature product. Paul Klampers and Avid BB7s are bulletproof
and require far less fiddling than rim brakes. As Eric said, Shimano hydros are
trouble free. SRAM hydros belong in the garbage in my experience, but let's not
talk about that. Disc brakes keep your braking surface
I did a gravel road ride in north GA yesterday on my fully rigid Fat Chance
with V-brakes (it has a boscomoose bar so a slight Riv Connection) and 2.2
tires. I was not that fast, particularly downhill, but I found myself
wishing for disc brakes a few times. And the v-brakes are new, so pads
I would agree with Eric on the Jones which seems like the closest to a disc
brake Riv mountain bike you can get. I have two sets of wheels and running 2.25
G-ones on the bike and it is actually one of my faster rides.
I like the GBW but that lack of rimmoptiobs for fat tires seem like
an issue
I like discs and v-brakes and find both (mechanical cable version) pretty
simple to fiddle with. The issue people are getting into with rim brakes on Gus
are tire sizes being limited. I'm sorry, but I think this is a big mistake for
this bike: The trend with rigid trail bikes is to toss huge
I wasn’t sure about the lower top tube at first, but the more I think about it
the more it makes sense.
Disc brakes … I don’t know. They seem like more trouble than they are worth.
How much stopping power do I really need? I’m not a downhill racer. And on a
trail or mountain bike I would
I wasn’t sure about the lower top tube at first, but the more I think about it
the more it makes sense.
Disc brakes … I don’t know. I am sure others in this thread will set me right,
but discs seem like more trouble than they are worth and on a trail or mountain
bike I would worry about
I actually really like the swoopy tube and know I will dig the additional
standover...I find lower standover to be important on a trail bike since
I'm constantly stopping to dismount.
Not knowing anything about the ability to turn the bike around twists,
trees and swoops on the trail (my
Congratulations Deacon!
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I would think wide rim-brake wheels period, is a sub of a sub market.
Given the choice, I would lean towards wider. It would give those v-brake
arms better tire clearance as well. But while we're wishing upon a falling
star, just give us both 30 and 35mm, Rivendell.
On Friday, March 29,
Is anyone familiar with this rim? A 30mm internal width and can be used
with rim brakes according to their website:
https://www.halowheels.com/shop/components/sas-27-5-rim/
On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 5:47:37 AM UTC-4, Ed Carolipio wrote:
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> The market for a 35mm ID rim with a brake
Aye, Ian, I am in that odd, exciting, antsy, eager, anticipitory space of
owning and awaiting. Grin. Proud? Nae. I hope not. I don’t want to commit a
deadly sin. Grin.
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The market for a 35mm ID rim with a brake track is tiny - can't think of
any other rim brake plus bikes - but there might be interest in a 28-30mm
ID one. That rim flattens out 55mm tires and matches up well with a 60mm
tire - which is Clem, fenderless Joe, and old school MTB territory.
Same here, i hope Riv and Velocity would collaborate for a wider rims :-)
> On 29 Mar 2019, at 11:37 AM, PaulS wrote:
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> What Riv NEEDS to do is come out with some 30-35mm ID rims. Maybe collaborate
> with Velocity.
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Deacon:
Am I to infer you are the proud owner of a Gus? From your post: "My Large is
27.5, the Medium on the web special page is..."
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For this type of a bike, I’m fine with the rim brakes. There are plenty of disc
27.5 plus bikes out there. Ogre, ECR, Jones, Tumbleweed, Crust, etc.
What Riv NEEDS to do is come out with some 30-35mm ID rims. Maybe collaborate
with Velocity.
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I very much agree but was gonna keep my mouth shut about it. In that buffalo
bike post, there is a link to a disc Rivendell prototype from like a decade
ago. I couldn’t believe it. They were thinking about doing it back then, but
not now, when the market is basically demanding it... can’t wrap
I tried, mate. I think not using discs is going to be a headache for GBW in the
market, as is already visible in this "how to make big tires and v-brakes work
together" discussion. But I can only bark at that moon so long...
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This is something I'd also like to disc-gus
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Edgar,
I think it was the medium. Yes, more comfortable and stable and feels
lighter. It moved easily in spite of those super wide knobby ballon tires
(forgot the specs). I think Grant is onto something with this design.
On Tuesday, 26 March 2019 18:10:37 UTC-7, ed wrote:
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> Hi Ash,
>
When I was asking about the prototype, Will said one of the changes on the
updated frames was to move the brake posts - I forget which direction - to
make the frame "work better" with a 2.8" tire and V-brakes. As a guess,
V-brake reach may have been an issue - my complete came with CX-50s and
IMHO and this is coming from the way I know I ride... the Cliffhangers are
not a good rim for a tire in the 2.8 inch range. I have Cliffhangers on my
Appaloosa running 57mm G Ones and I just don't see how a 2.8 would ride
well off road (it would be terribly balloon like), especially if you are
On my old mountain bike, I had 29+ set up with Stans Flow rims (23mm
internal) and 29x3" tires. No issues down to about 17psi riding
aggressively on the trail. I don't think there would be any issue unless
you were well down in the low-teens.
On Tuesday, March 26, 2019 at 11:06:08 PM UTC-6,
As others here, I wondered about the rim issue. My conclusion is it really is a
near non-issue. Would a wider rim brake rim be ideal? Sure. But the
squirrliness people fear isn’t that big a deal. The Cliffhanger rims are
recommended for up to 65mm tires, that’s 2.6” (2.56” to be exact, which
Ah, I see I am not the only ed obsessing over narrow non-disc rims with
27.5+ tires...
The Cliffhanger has an interior width of 25mm. The bike came stock with
Cliffhangers and 2.8" G-One Allrounders, so my guess is folks on the board
who've demoed this Gus at Riv and had All-Rounders also had
Hi Ed!,
Would you mind sharing the rim size of the Cliffhanger of your GBW?
Thanks :-)
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 10:00 AM Ed Carolipio
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> I had/have (still packing it for sale) a 51cm Joe. I got the Small GBW
> prototype and adjusted it into "commuter mode" recently. Key build
> differences
I had/have (still packing it for sale) a 51cm Joe. I got the Small GBW
prototype and adjusted it into "commuter mode" recently. Key build
differences with the Joe vs GBW: 55cm Albas with a 9cm Nitto Technomic stem
vs 710mm Jones Loop with a 30mm Spank stem; 2.0" Marathon Supremes on VO
Hi Ash,
Thanks for the short description of GBW :-)
I am surprised that it felt lighter but happy to hear from you that it felt
stable and comfortable.
We are almost the same pbh (79"), which size Gus did you try and what was
the wheel size?
Regards,
Edgar
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 3:33 AM Ash
I am not a big fan of "mixte" frames, but Gus Boots speaks to me. If I
didn't have a Hunq, this is the frame I would pick. I would think it would
do very well for most off-road terrain. Tumbleweed can take true 4" tires,
but I've been on extended bikepacking trips on fat tires and it's not
All great questions that will hopefully be answered when the production run
actually gets released! I'm sure the Riv folks have a catalog/info page in
the works, too.
On Tuesday, March 26, 2019 at 1:24:05 PM UTC-7, S wrote:
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> How does the GBW compare to the Clem L? They look fairly similar.
How does the GBW compare to the Clem L? They look fairly similar.
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Curious if this bike will be able to take on the role of a backpacking bike
more along the lines of a Tumbleweed, etc. Obviously different geometry
but I imagine folks will be happy using this for off-road expedition
touring.
What are the F axle widths?
On Tuesday, March 26, 2019 at
Last month when I visited Riv HQ to pick up some stuff I took GBW for a
quick ride. Wish I had taken it for a longer ride, but I was short on time.
I've owned both Atlantis (MIT) and Joe. Boots felt VERY different. Felt a
bit lighter, kind of more stable and noticeably more comfortable. The
Thoughts on how the Gus’ ride will compare to the Joe and Atlantis? I don’t
have a sense of the geometry differences beyond the fat whee options.
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Same same, Chris. Of course I just bought an Atlantis so it didn't really save
me from a sale, but I'm kinda surprised how not-enthused I am about this bike.
Lots of folks who ride more dirt than I do will love them, though.
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I’m glad that the Gus Boots doesn’t really spark an interest for me. This is a
good thing because I don’t need another Riv to add to the fleet nor to pin for
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Down to just the medium now!
Congrats to the lucky Gus owner. So happy it is heading to the hills of
Colorado!
Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan
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On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 1:32:06 PM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
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> Heyo,
>
> Not sure if this was on people's radar or not, but it looks like there is
> a pair of GBW on the web specials page on Riv, for what I imagine
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