Hi John,
I realise this has made you cross, but I've also been responsible for
keeping it in the Group here because I think it needs to be aired -
for various reasons that I've explained before and won't rehash at
length now.
Lan has actually been the model of restraint and has not written
After looking at the poster, I'm wondering if it doesn't fall into the
fair use category. It was a faded background image and it wasn't the
only photo on the poster.
Don't let this go to court, Lan. You might lose everything.
No it doesn't meet any criteria at all for fair use.
From http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html:
... The 1961 Report of the Register of Copyrights on the General
Revision of the U.S. Copyright Law cites examples of activities that
courts have regarded as fair use: quotation of excerpts in
Well, considering that it was used as an advertisement and not for
criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or
research, I can't imagine a fair use argument could be made.
- Verdi
On 7/12/07, Laura Moncur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After looking at the poster, I'm wondering if it
Hello Lan and everyone here on this thread.
This sort of transparent hashing out of a business matter on line
shows that there is some growing up to do with the new media.
Lan, I appreciate your work, and am sorry that your photo was used
without permission. It seems to me that Podtech had
Hi Daniel,
I'm sorry to boringly stand up for the thread again, but I just feel
that you're not quite on the money in what you say. Also, the way I
read it, I found your tone was a little patronising. I know plenty
of Old Business where things are hashed out in public by observers -
the
danielmcvicar wrote:
Your photo wasn't being used in a worldwide ad campaign. I understand
that it was on a display at a convention attended by many of your peers.
It wasn't your face plastered on a billboard, a redubbing of your
video for a 900 sex number, your face on a lunchbox, or
On 7/12/07, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's the rest of us, who are concerned about what Podtech did and the
way they've behaved since.
Right. PodTech is a company that wants to work with independent / new-media
producers ... its reasonable for a community of such producers to be
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, danielmcvicar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This sort of transparent hashing out of a business matter on line
shows that there is some growing up to do with the new media.
Dan, respectfully I suggest you put on a expensive suit and visit
http://the-late-nite-
Well it's been another week and a half since we've heard anything. Is
this thing resolved yet?
I'll check. Last I heard Furrier was willing to pay $1,000 and Bui wanted
$3,000. Not sure if either of them have moved from those positions but it's
very possible that this is headed to some sort of
I will be posting an update very soon (target is the end of the week).
But, I do have to say my last post to this group must not have been clear. I
did send an
invoice for less than $3000.
I'll also ask that we wait until I have posted my update to talk about it any
more. I hope
that doesn't
What is rude is you bringing this up into the group!
--- Lan Bui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I will be posting an update very soon (target is the
end of the week).
But, I do have to say my last post to this group
must not have been clear. I did send an
invoice for less than $3000.
I'll
Back when 3 Mile Island happened I was in a photo
class and the word on the street was that Time
magazine paid $2000 for their cover shot (in 1982
dollars). Keep your ground Scoble! $1000 more than
fair.
John
--- Robert Scoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well it's been another week and a half
Hey John,
It was me who started this thread and who has bumped it every couple
of weeks. Others blogged about and twittered about it and got no
response so I started a thread here.
- Verdi
Well it's been another week and a half since we've heard anything. Is
this thing resolved yet?
- Verdi
@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's
image?
Robert, thank you for finally coming out and saying something for
PodTech to the community.
First, I must say that your statement:
He believes his work is worth that and believes that there isn't
: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
Robert, thank you for finally coming out and saying something for
PodTech to the community.
First, I must say that your statement:
He believes his work is worth that and believes that there isn't room
for negotiation on this issue.
Is a lie
: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Mike Meiser
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 1:58 P
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's
image?
Well... I'm glad people haven't resorted to name calling.
Got to say, while I
On 6/30/07, Lan Bui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PodTech had the chance to ask to purchase a license to use the
photograph before it was used, at which time they would be able to set
the terms. That didn't happen. Now that they have used the photograph
already, who should set the terms?
This to
: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:51 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
Robert, thank you for finally coming out and saying something for
PodTech to the community.
First, I must say that your statement:
He believes his
Quirk, you an iconoclastic shitstirrer :)
I haven't seen much vitriol. Given the occasional time this group's
really lynched people (particularly corporations), I think
everybody's been quite nice. Apart from one silly link to some
shitty blog, everyone else has just been saying, 'Yo,
: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Lan Bui
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:51 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
Robert, thank you for finally coming out and saying something
]
On Behalf Of Lan Bui
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:51 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
Robert, thank you for finally coming out and saying something for
PodTech to the community.
First, I
, 2007 10:51 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
Robert, thank you for finally coming out and saying something for
PodTech to the community.
First, I must say that your statement:
He believes his work is worth
I have a problem with raising money for Lan on the list. Yes, Lan
deserves his fees (and 3 times that because of the infringement) but
to raise it ourselves lets Podtech off the hook a little bit. Okay, so
Lan is paid - why should Podtech cough up the dough then?
I'm just sayin'...
Carl
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Carl Weaver
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:02 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
I have a problem with raising money for Lan on the list. Yes, Lan
deserves his fees (and 3 times
: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:02 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
I have a problem with raising money for Lan on the list. Yes, Lan
deserves his fees (and 3 times that because of the infringement) but
to raise it ourselves
-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Carl Weaver
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:02 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
I have a problem with raising money for Lan
: devlond
-Original Message-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Carl Weaver
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:02 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's
image?
I have
: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
I have a problem with raising money for Lan on the list. Yes, Lan
deserves his fees (and 3 times that because of the infringement) but
to raise it ourselves lets Podtech off the hook a little bit. Okay, so
Lan is paid
On 6/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can we give this a rest for a week or two and see what happens?
H...
This is from Lan's post on May 14th:
After I returned home from SXSW I contacted Robert Scoble, hoping he
could put me on touch with the right person to talk about
]
On Behalf Of Carl Weaver
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:02 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with
Lan's image?
I have a problem with raising money for Lan on the list. Yes, Lan
deserves his fees (and 3 times that because
That is a very nice thought but I do not think it is appropriate for
others to raise money for this. The community did no wrong and should
not have to pay.
-Lan
www.LanBui.com
based on what
professionals expect.
Robert Scoble
###
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Mike Meiser
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 1:58 P
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image
Robert, thank you for finally coming out and saying something for
PodTech to the community.
First, I must say that your statement:
He believes his work is worth that and believes that there isn't room
for negotiation on this issue.
Is a lie.
One of the points in my blog post was that I wanted,
Any word on this yet?
I'd love to hear PodTech say, yes, we made a mistake and are working
on fixing it or we didn't do anything wrong and here's why or
something at all. They've been pretty quiet about the whole thing.
Which seems odd as I look up from what I'm typing and notice my copy
of Naked
I am trying to be patient.
Maybe while I wait for them I can read Naked Conversations, the back
cover alone has very interesting ideas on it.
-Lan
www.LanBui.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any word on this yet?
I'd love to hear PodTech
are negotiating with you.
Robert
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Lan Bui
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:31 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
I am trying to be patient
Of Lan Bui
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:31 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
I am trying to be patient.
Maybe while I wait for them I can read Naked Conversations, the back
cover alone has very interesting ideas
]
On Behalf Of Lan Bui
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:31 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
I am trying to be patient.
Maybe while I wait for them I can read Naked Conversations, the back
cover
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
I am trying to be patient.
Maybe while I wait for them I can read Naked Conversations, the back
cover alone has very interesting ideas on it.
-Lan
www.LanBui.com
--- In videoblogging
]
On Behalf Of Lan Bui
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:31 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
I am trying to be patient.
Maybe while I wait for them I can read Naked Conversations
@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Lan Bui
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:31 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's
image?
I am trying to be patient
%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's
image?
I am trying to be patient.
Maybe while I wait for them I can read Naked Conversations,
the back
cover alone has very interesting ideas on it.
-Lan
www.LanBui.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's
image?
I am trying to be patient.
Maybe while I wait for them I can read Naked Conversations,
the back
cover alone has very interesting ideas on it.
-Lan
www.LanBui.com
Den 28.06.2007 kl. 23:06 skrev Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
To infer all sorts of legal complications only confuses things, and
keeps PodTech in the one down position publicly speaking. I think your
point about the Vloggies being cash-negative might be relevant
internally but came
%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's
image?
I am trying to be patient.
Maybe while I wait for them I can read Naked Conversations,
the back
cover alone has very interesting ideas on it.
-Lan
finally decided to read this thread through.
no comment
except that i bet we could organize a little crowdfunding effort to pay lan
before podtech does.
care for some competition, podtech?
lan, how much do we need to raise?
in cc we hail,
sull
On 6/28/07, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
I would donate to that. Lan deserves to be paid for his work as does
anyone else.
David
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
finally decided to read this thread through.
no comment
except that i bet we could
PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
This smells like so much Business As Usual, that its a perfect news piece
for a Monday at the office all the way down to the typical buck-passing
to Podtech's accounting dept.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
There are a bunch
Yes I agree. My experience with Podtech and my license agreement
with them has been very positive. At the same time I consider Lan to
be a friend and I'm sorry that this has become such a problem. I
hope there is a resolution to this soon.
Bill Streeter
LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
www.lofistl.com
---
@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay dedman
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:53 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's
image?
This smells like so much Business As Usual, that its a perfect news
piece
with him from
the beginning.
John
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay dedman
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:53 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's
image
On 6/19/07, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We have been in communication with him since he contacted us months ago. Lan
has had access to PodTech in many different ways from 1 degree of separation
to having our direct phone numbers and emails. He has not been treated badly
but in
Thank you to everyone who has been following this.
I will follow up on this once there is a resolution.
-Lan
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Use the directory option when
: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's image?
How to Contact Podcast.
http://www.podtech.net/home/about#contact
PodTech Network is located at:
1801 Page Mill Rd - Suite 400
Palo Alto, CA 94304
Tel: 650-543-5200
Media Speaking Opportunities:
Please contact Valerie Cunningham at Valerie at [EMAIL
Hey Lan,
I hope there is a resolution for you soon.
You wrote: After a couple emails back and forth with her I sent her
an invoice for licensed use of the photograph.
My question is... What was the value of the invoice?
The reason I think it's important to know, is that if it's for stupid
Den 19.06.2007 kl. 19:07 skrev Mike Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
My question is... What was the value of the invoice?
The reason I think it's important to know, is that if it's for stupid
money, I would have cut ties too. It's one thing to send them an
invoice for a couple hundred bucks and yet
Sorry to hear about this unfortunate disrespecting of peoples creative
ownership rights. Its one thing to make a mistake, another to take no
steps to fix the problem once its been brought to their attention.
I wish I was shocked, unfortunately my extreme cynicism means I do not
expect more
Ive been reading an interview with podtech's great leader, and now I
feel all dirty, its business as usual for sure:
http://www.vibacom.si/violeta/?p=88
My day jobs gone all pearshaped and Im sitting here wondering, if I
could ever get a clue and focus my energy positively, and if I was any
I assume that Scoble knows what's going on with this however he is
refusing to say anything online about it...
http://blogumentary.typepad.com/chuck/2007/06/podtech_please_.html#comments
Ah what a wicked web we weave...
I'm a gittin some popcorn to watch this one play out!
David
yes, scoble knows
On 6/18/07, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I assume that Scoble knows what's going on with this however he is
refusing to say anything online about it...
http://blogumentary.typepad.com/chuck/2007/06/podtech_please_.html#comments
Ah what a wicked web we weave...
Well to try to be fair, I suppose this is one of the downsides of
working for companies, its probably not condusive to being able to
speak freely, who knows whats going on in terms of podtech presenting
their case, who will be responsible for doing that, what their side of
the story is.
Its
This smells like so much Business As Usual, that its a perfect news piece
for a Monday at the office all the way down to the typical buck-passing
to Podtech's accounting dept.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
There are a bunch of people on this list who get funding
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