I have to agree with Nathan, the very nature of experimentation is taking something you know about (or think you know about) and fiddling with it so that it does something different, or shows you something new. Since experiment is a scientific word, perhaps we should delve into what an experiment involves in science and apply it to this situation.
In science you propose a hypothesis, then use an experiment to make conclusions upon that hypothesis. There are myriads of hypotheses, and therefore there could be a great number of duplicate experiments. This does not conclude that each experiment is no longer experimental, since by nature of the word it is. So it is more in the hypothesis itself that we find experimentation. After reading 'Zen and the art of Motorcycle Maintenance', I believe that within every hypothesis there an infinite number of possible hypotheses which stem from that one, all relative to the individual (for those who haven't read it, this is a point in the book). So go ahead and experiment, but I must agree that your attitude towards others experimentation Jared is disheartening. todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nathan John de Yonker wrote: > > I would disagree. Experimentation does not exist. > > I think this attitude is pretty harsh and stuck up. By using the same > logic, you could say that Charles Mingus isn't "experimental". After all, > the double-bass had been around for centuries before him, as did the keys > and chords that he used. It isn't as if he singlehandedly invented jazz, > right? > > I think a more laidback and encouraging attitude would be to say that > almost anything with soul is experimental. Take the Detroit Grand PuBahs. > They're using booty, detroit techno, and dub, and taking the piss out of > it. Having fun and seeing how far they can go. Like it or not musically, > (and I am nearer to the not), I'd say they are putting their heart into > it, having a blast, and expanding the horizons of the music coming out of > our city. Respectable, IMO. I try to not be so inclusive as to what I > consider experimental, and it benefits my art and my dealings with others > greatly. > > Micho makes good music, and does it in his own quirky little way. > Manipulating the guts of musical equipment, nonmusical equipment, > pyrotechnics, etc. are not considered experiments? I think you have pretty > high standards, Jared. Then using such a rude term as "reinventing the > wheel" and excusing yourself by saying "no offense I just want some > discourse." Remember that sinewaves, quadrophenia, and room tone aren't > exactly inventing new forms of wheels, either. Perhaps you could give us > some more concrete examples of what "experimental art" means to you (no > pun intended with the concrete) > n8 > > > > > Jared Wilson > > OBSOLETE RECORDS > > > > > > >From: Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: JARED WILSON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org > > >Subject: Re: [313] Techno Visual Arts + sonic boom > > >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:23:27 +0100 (BST) > > > > > > > Micho, > > > > > > > > I realy do not believe what you are doing or have done would be > > >concidered > > > > "experimental". > > > > > >If it involves experimentation it is experimental - so if I sit down to > > >make a track, if I do not start out with a concrete idea but instead > > >figure it out as i go, then this is "experimental" no matter how straight > > >ahead the resulting track is. > > > > > >neil > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
