Please do not let this thread turn into a quest for a working definition of "experimental music." I am sure this means something different to everyone, and its hardly worth trying to pinpoint into one definition. Experimental music would be no fun if there were rigid boundaries as to what it could and could not be.
I think what Micho does could easily be classified as experimental. Obviously Jared does not. So what. Just keep making/playing good music. If you want to discuss semantics in the realm of music, start a list for music theory (or lite-bulbs). Sorry if I sound like a grump- but its annoying when youre all making good points and framing them as opposing sentiments when youre all really talking AROUND a vague subject instead of ABOUT a specific subject. So its impossible to take a solid stance in the matter when the common ground is all mudd. Guess that is mostly inevitable when communication is reduced to email, hmm.. I'll let you know when I invent a higher form of global communication :] my .02 .p On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, JARED WILSON wrote: > Yes I do have high standards. Why would anyone want to have low ones. I > never said that Micho does not make "good" music. I was inquiring to his > use of the word "experiment" to describe what he does. I disagreed with the > description and ask about it. How is that being "hash" or "stuck-up". I am > just being honest and looking for an honest dialogue. > I would never say that what I am doing or have done was "newer" than > anything else. There is always a large history that I am drawing from when > ever I am working on a project. > Just because you put your "heart" into something that has "soul" does not > make it anything, let alone "experimental". Yes the Grand-Pubahs are > drawing from different genres of music, but that is no where near > "experimental". It is pastiche. > Just remember you are the one that has perceived me as being "rude". > > Jared Wilson > OBSOLETE RECORDS > > > >From: Nathan John de Yonker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: JARED WILSON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >CC: 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [313] Techno Visual Arts + sonic boom > >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:12:05 -0400 (EDT) > > > > > > > I would disagree. Experimentation does not exist. > > > >I think this attitude is pretty harsh and stuck up. By using the same > >logic, you could say that Charles Mingus isn't "experimental". After all, > >the double-bass had been around for centuries before him, as did the keys > >and chords that he used. It isn't as if he singlehandedly invented jazz, > >right? > > > >I think a more laidback and encouraging attitude would be to say that > >almost anything with soul is experimental. Take the Detroit Grand PuBahs. > >They're using booty, detroit techno, and dub, and taking the piss out of > >it. Having fun and seeing how far they can go. Like it or not musically, > >(and I am nearer to the not), I'd say they are putting their heart into > >it, having a blast, and expanding the horizons of the music coming out of > >our city. Respectable, IMO. I try to not be so inclusive as to what I > >consider experimental, and it benefits my art and my dealings with others > >greatly. > > > >Micho makes good music, and does it in his own quirky little way. > >Manipulating the guts of musical equipment, nonmusical equipment, > >pyrotechnics, etc. are not considered experiments? I think you have pretty > >high standards, Jared. Then using such a rude term as "reinventing the > >wheel" and excusing yourself by saying "no offense I just want some > >discourse." Remember that sinewaves, quadrophenia, and room tone aren't > >exactly inventing new forms of wheels, either. Perhaps you could give us > >some more concrete examples of what "experimental art" means to you (no > >pun intended with the concrete) > >n8 > > > > > > > > Jared Wilson > > > OBSOLETE RECORDS > > > > > > > > > >From: Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: JARED WILSON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org > > > >Subject: Re: [313] Techno Visual Arts + sonic boom > > > >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:23:27 +0100 (BST) > > > > > > > > > Micho, > > > > > > > > > > I realy do not believe what you are doing or have done would be > > > >concidered > > > > > "experimental". > > > > > > > >If it involves experimentation it is experimental - so if I sit down to > > > >make a track, if I do not start out with a concrete idea but instead > > > >figure it out as i go, then this is "experimental" no matter how > >straight > > > >ahead the resulting track is. > > > > > > > >neil > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
