Hey Jayson, I'm fine today? You?
I hope you can keep up this 'politeness' thing for a while, as for me it's natural - I live in hope! In any case, as I say, it is a great and momentous thing when someone like yourself (I think we all here can say that to an extent we know you - at least the rather unfortunate side of you) is capable of courtesy, 5 lines without an expletive and capable of tendering respect where it's due (i.e. to a larg extent most of humanity) - even if you disagree the other person - I saw your message to Juan Atkins. For that, I and many are sincerely glad. As I say, maybe you can even keep it up. Now to your points: And I hope you can do me the courtesy of reading them fairly closely, I do apologise that I've gone on a bit more than I'd really want to, but this IS important.) The crux of the thing is that 'discrimination in any form sucks'. Now as I've iterated before and I'm happy (kinda!) to reiterate - what Ms Gavoor implied about gays was wrong, hurtful, etc. Therefore flew in the face of points she had forcefully made about racism. Unfortunate. What I'm saying is that whilst the contradiction is "much more than regretable" - remember that phrase I used, right from the earliset? - this does not detract from THE PRINCIPLE that racism exists in all spheres - certainly in what appears to be a liberal societal sphere such as popular music. I can tell you it exists in another ostensibly 'liberal' sphere, the media, in which I work. Don't worry reactionaries,racism is alive and well and working in the American and European medias. Focus on the PRINCIPLE not the individual. You can work with the principle. And if the individual is impervious to change as time may prove or disprove, that person will be left behind but maybe a greater majority will go forward. Focus on the propogator of the message at every turn and you'll be blown off course. This week is a case in point. PREJUIDICE STINKS LIKE A RANCID CORPSE THAT CAN'T BE BURIED. IT STINKS IN ALL FORMS. It will never be buried if all outgroups in the world allow themselves to be distracted by internecine warfare - that way only the conventionalists win. Ever heard of the Last Poets? A 1960s black jazz/poetry collective. Check 'em out, they did some crazy, thought provoking and groovy music back then, and their remnants are still doing the same today. 1996, a principal member, who's changed his name to Abiodoun Olewole said in a liner note: (remeber this is a former friend of Malcolm X and a veteran Black Power campaigner) "Never forget our friends, we can't succeed without our friends" - I've heard him say the same thing to a predominantly white audience at the Jazz Cafe in London. Think about it. Peace - ...and even respect (as long as you can maintain this facade of respect to others that is - or maybe you can even demonstrate that it's not a facade). Peace in any case, Ken >-----Original Message----- >From: Jayson B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 6:06 PM >To: 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [313] Regarding Business > > > >>Further, I'd say they're inexcusable really. However, I wondered >how >those >>offensive remarks of Ms Gavoor, invalidated the other stuff >>Laura Gavoor >>said. Still have yet to get a cogent non-insulting, non inflammatory >>response that actually answers that question. > > >Hi ken! i'm so very glad for your response, and i can't wait to >provide you >with a non-insulting positive response of my own! > >It depends on ms gavoor's full opinion of discrimination. if she feels >strongly about people getting discriminated against, then it DOES >invalidate >her response. In that context, having her say ,'discrimination >sucks,' and >then turning around and saying the word 'faggot,' is 100% >contradictory. it >causes the reader to believe that she does not believe in her own views. > >Or if she feels that only black people are discriminated against, or that >black people are the only ones worthy of a sympathetic shoulder when it >comes to discrimination, then i'll shut up. > >but i still find the word faggot offensive. > > >Hope to hear from you soon ken, and have a great day! > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
