Penalising the blind student by putting restrictions on the scribe is hugely
unfair. If people are abusing the facility, it is up to the system to catch
them and bring them to book. As it is, the blind person is disadvantaged and
if he has to run around toorganise the documentation and meet the different
requirements of exam boards, God help him. The simple way forward is to
strengthen the invigilation and be severe on any infringements. If the onus
of providing scribes is left to the exam boards, then the blind talent is
seriously compromised. I have met people who have written the civil services
exams where the scribe offered was a watchman. Do not think that is fair.
-----Original Message-----
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of avinash shahi
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 10:51 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
Dear Kanchan mam, Still you've 11 minutes for the meeting to start.
Please, ask the ministry to dig in the archive of the complaints received by
the CCPD Office over the years regarding bad scribes provided by
SSC/CBSE/UGC/UPSC. The situation at states' level is even worse. There are
a number of newspaper reports' detailing this harsh reality. I'm sure there
are plenty of cases to rely upon to send the point home that restriction or
necessity of a lower grade scribe is regressive idea.
On 12/15/17, Renuka Warriar Edakkunni <eren...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I support Avinash's and Dinesh's views. Strict supervision and if
> necessary, c c t v recording will reduce the malpractice to a great
> extense.
>
> Renuka.
>
> On 12/15/17, Srinivasu Chakravarthula <li...@srinivasu.org> wrote:
>> Kanchan,
>> I think what Dinesh is referring is CCTV recording. Now-a-days use of
>> CCTV is quite common everywhere and even may already exist in exam
>> centres. I don't think he is talking about video shoot or something
>> like that.
>>
>> Best,
>> Vasu
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/
>> Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com
>>
>> Let's create an inclusive web!
>>
>> Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Kanchan Pamnani
>> <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dinesh I am not questioning you for the sake of arguing but for
>>> strengthening my stand tomorrow.Is video recording feasible for
>>> exams in schools colleges and competitive exams in various classrooms.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal
>>> Sent: 14 December 2017 18:15
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning the disabled.'
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>>>
>>> I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video
>>> recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording
>>> should be submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if
>>> any cheating happened.
>>> for any
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning the disabled.' <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>>>
>>>
>>> See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these
>>> but got foxed with NIVH -our apex body.
>>> Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves.
>>>
>>> 1. SSC
>>> Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility
>>> which could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the
>>> examination.
>>> It
>>> also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other
>>> candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the
>>> Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of
>>> unfair practises could also be high.
>>> Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining
>>> Authority
>>>
>>> 2. CBSE
>>> Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in
>>> which the candidate is appearing for the examination and should be
>>> one class lower than the candidate
>>> 3. National Trust
>>> Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the
>>> need of the examination and should be conversant with the language
>>> of the examination.
>>> He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the
>>> PwD/candidate.
>>> KP Ok
>>> 4. IPH
>>> Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written
>>> assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the
>>> scribe must have an understating of how to record responses using
>>> procedures described and familiar with the test including knowledge
>>> of vocabulary used in the test.
>>> Scribe should not be in blood relation with the Pwds KP cannot have
>>> the same scribe Scribe should not be in blood relation to the
>>> candidate Kp OK NIVH NIHH left open to the examining bodies In case
>>> of graduate level examination the scribe can be a graduate from a
>>> different stream In case of Master Level Examination the scribe cab
>>> be from a different
>>> discipline than that of the candidate. A graduate level scribe from
>>> the
>>> same discipline can be allowed for aMaster level examination in such
>>> a case the percentage of marks of graduate level scribe should be
>>> more than 60% For entrance and school tests involving basic
>>> qualification of candidate upto 12th std the qualification of the
>>> scribe should be one step lower than that of the candidate. For
>>> example 12th class candidate may be allowed an 11th class with not
>>> more than 70% marks. In case the candidate chooses a scribe 10th
>>> class pass then there should be no restriction on percentage of
>>> marks.
>>>
>>> CCPD
>>> The Para IV provides option to the candidate for opting their own
>>> scribe or request the examination body for the same. Both the option
>>> are relevant.
>>> However keeping in view the gravity of the examination candidate's
>>> own scribe should not be his/her close relative such as parents
>>> siblings etc The Qualification of the scribe mustbe lower than the
>>> candidate however scribe frim the same subject area may be allowed
>>> provided having lower qualification Guidelines should clearly
>>> mention that parents and close relatives will not be allowed as
>>> scribe.
>>>
>>> Close relative OK
>>>
>>> V 1. SSC
>>> Scribe provided by the commission has adequate educational level The
>>> overall conduct of examination is done under proper
>>> invigilation/supervision to check malpractices
>>>
>>> 2. CBSC
>>> Scribe should not have obtained his/her qualification in same
>>> subject in which the candidate is appearing for the examination and
>>> he /she should be one class lower than the candidate
>>>
>>> 3. National Trust
>>> Scribe/reader/lab assistant should be qualified according to the
>>> need of the examination and should be conversant with the language
>>> of the examination he Should not be overqualified as he may unduly
>>> assist the Pwd/candidate
>>>
>>> 4.IPH
>>> Scribe should ne from an academic discipline different from that
>>> post of written exam] Invigilator should be trained and ensure that
>>> scribe remains impartial and should not be any way influence the
>>> student performance on the test
>>>
>>> 5. CCPD
>>> The education qualification must be decided as lower than that of
>>> candidate The criteria for scribe should be separate for
>>> school/college or other academic examination and competitive
>>> examination
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf Of SC Vashishth
>>> Sent: 14 December 2017 17:42
>>> To: AI List; avinash shahi
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>>>
>>> Dear Kanchan,
>>>
>>> I strongly disagree on putting any restrictions on scribes. It would
>>> be like raising the kerbs on the kerb ramps because some biker users
>>> misuse the pedestrian sidewalks. This is an issue of enforcement.
>>>
>>> The mechanism of invigilation need to be made foolproof. Also there
>>> has to be gradual shift to technology where people are more
>>> independent.
>>>
>>> So far courts have supported our cause, so has the ministry. But if
>>> our own committee give a differing opinion based on this cases it
>>> might be counterproductive for all the efforts of the sector to get
>>> that guideline in place. See how it can be salvaged!
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Subhash Chandra Vashishth
>>>
>>> On 14-Dec-2017 3:59 PM, "Kanchan Pamnani" <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
>>> >
>>> > What limitations can we allow on scribes
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private
>>> > scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this
>>> > decision.
>>> >
>>> > However we will have to agree to some restrictions.
>>> >
>>> > The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of
>>> > hand.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Please help!
>>> >
>>> > At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread misuse
>>> > by our community
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > K
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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