Dinesh and Amit 
Are we looking at video recording 
a. instead of the written answers or 
b. video recording of the room in which the exam takes place as a method of
supervision. Please clarify. 
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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Amit Jain
Sent: 14 December 2017 18:59
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent

As far as my expeirnce goes, video and audio recording may not be feasable.
When I proposed the same in my institute, my idea was sut doewn based on the
following

1. The cost may be too high as each candidate will require to have a
seperate recording required both for audio and video 2. Person and scribe
would have to do the talking in descent volume so that even the audio is
recorded and one person in the institute committee went to the extent that
the person said if all answers are recorded, why we need them on paper, we
can just listen to recordings. Another challenge with recording would be
people with speech issue (in case of cerebral palsy) where they may not be
able to speak loud

People may provide counter arguments on these but just thought to share my
experience

Regards
Amit Jain

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dinesh I am not questioning you for the sake of arguing but for 
> strengthening my stand tomorrow.Is video recording feasible for exams 
> in schools colleges and competitive exams in various classrooms.
>   -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal
> Sent: 14 December 2017 18:15
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled.'
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video 
> recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording 
> should be submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if any 
> cheating happened.
> for any
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled.' <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
>
> See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these 
> but got foxed with NIVH -our apex body.
> Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves.
>
> 1.      SSC
> Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility 
> which could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the
examination.
> It
> also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other 
> candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the 
> Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of 
> unfair practises could also be high.
> Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining Authority
>
> 2.      CBSE
> Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in which 
> the candidate is appearing for the examination and should be one class 
> lower than the candidate
> 3.      National Trust
> Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the need 
> of the examination and should be conversant with the language of the 
> examination.
> He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the PwD/candidate.
> KP Ok
> 4.       IPH
> Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written 
> assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the 
> scribe must have an understating of how to record responses using 
> procedures described and familiar with the test including knowledge of 
> vocabulary used in the test.
> Scribe should not be in blood relation with the Pwds KP cannot have 
> the same scribe Scribe should not be in blood relation to the 
> candidate Kp OK NIVH NIHH left open to the examining bodies In case of 
> graduate level examination the scribe can be a graduate from a 
> different stream In case of Master Level Examination the scribe cab be 
> from a different
> discipline than that of the candidate. A   graduate level  scribe from the
> same discipline can be allowed for aMaster level examination in such a 
> case the percentage of marks of graduate level scribe should be more 
> than 60% For entrance and school tests involving basic qualification 
> of candidate upto 12th std the qualification of the scribe should be 
> one step lower than that of the candidate. For example 12th class 
> candidate may be allowed an 11th class with not more than 70% marks. 
> In case the candidate chooses a scribe 10th class pass then there 
> should be no restriction on percentage of marks.
>
> CCPD
> The Para IV provides option to the candidate for opting their own 
> scribe or request the examination body for the same. Both the option are
relevant.
> However keeping in view the gravity of the examination candidate's own 
> scribe should not be his/her close relative such as parents siblings 
> etc The Qualification of the scribe mustbe lower than the candidate 
> however scribe frim the same subject area may be allowed provided 
> having lower qualification Guidelines should clearly mention that 
> parents and close relatives will not be allowed as scribe.
>
> Close relative OK
>
> V 1. SSC
> Scribe provided by the commission has adequate educational level The 
> overall conduct of examination is done under proper 
> invigilation/supervision to check malpractices
>
> 2. CBSC
> Scribe should not have obtained his/her qualification in same subject 
> in which the candidate is appearing for the examination and he /she 
> should be one class lower than the candidate
>
> 3. National Trust
> Scribe/reader/lab assistant should be qualified according to the need 
> of the examination and should be conversant with the language of the 
> examination he Should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the 
> Pwd/candidate
>
> 4.IPH
> Scribe should ne from an academic discipline different from that post 
> of written exam] Invigilator should be trained and ensure that scribe 
> remains impartial and should not be any way influence the student 
> performance on the test
>
> 5.      CCPD
> The education qualification must be decided as lower than that of 
> candidate The criteria for scribe should be separate for 
> school/college or other academic examination and competitive 
> examination
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of SC Vashishth
> Sent: 14 December 2017 17:42
> To: AI List; avinash shahi
> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent
>
> Dear Kanchan,
>
> I strongly disagree on putting any restrictions on scribes. It would 
> be like raising the kerbs on the kerb ramps because some biker users 
> misuse the pedestrian sidewalks. This is an issue of enforcement.
>
> The mechanism of invigilation need to be made foolproof. Also there 
> has to be gradual shift to technology where people are more independent.
>
> So far courts have supported our cause, so has the ministry. But if 
> our own committee give a differing opinion based on this cases it 
> might be counterproductive for all the efforts of the sector to get 
> that guideline in place. See how it can be salvaged!
>
> Regards
> Subhash Chandra Vashishth
>
> On 14-Dec-2017 3:59 PM, "Kanchan Pamnani" <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013
> >
> > What limitations can we allow on scribes
> >
> >
> >
> > This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting.
> >
> >
> >
> > Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private 
> > scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this decision.
> >
> > However we will have to agree to some restrictions.
> >
> > The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of hand.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please help!
> >
> > At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread  misuse 
> > by our community
> >
> >
> >
> > K
> >
> >
> >
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