Dear Kanchan mam, Still you've 11 minutes for the meeting to start. Please, ask the ministry to dig in the archive of the complaints received by the CCPD Office over the years regarding bad scribes provided by SSC/CBSE/UGC/UPSC. The situation at states' level is even worse. There are a number of newspaper reports' detailing this harsh reality. I'm sure there are plenty of cases to rely upon to send the point home that restriction or necessity of a lower grade scribe is regressive idea.
On 12/15/17, Renuka Warriar Edakkunni <eren...@gmail.com> wrote: > I support Avinash's and Dinesh's views. Strict supervision and if > necessary, c c t v recording will reduce the malpractice to a great > extense. > > Renuka. > > On 12/15/17, Srinivasu Chakravarthula <li...@srinivasu.org> wrote: >> Kanchan, >> I think what Dinesh is referring is CCTV recording. Now-a-days use of >> CCTV >> is quite common everywhere and even may already exist in exam centres. I >> don't think he is talking about video shoot or something like that. >> >> Best, >> Vasu >> >> Regards, >> >> Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/ >> Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com >> >> Let's create an inclusive web! >> >> Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Kanchan Pamnani >> <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Dinesh I am not questioning you for the sake of arguing but for >>> strengthening my stand tomorrow.Is video recording feasible for exams in >>> schools colleges and competitive exams in various classrooms. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Dinesh Kaushal >>> Sent: 14 December 2017 18:15 >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning >>> the disabled.' >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent >>> >>> I guess we may not have to worry about all these conditions if video >>> recording of the session could be made mandatory. Video recording should >>> be >>> submitted so that anytime any authority could verify if any cheating >>> happened. >>> for any >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Kanchan Pamnani >>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 5:59 PM >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning >>> the disabled.' <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent >>> >>> >>> See the opinion of some stake holders. I had started answering these but >>> got >>> foxed with NIVH -our apex body. >>> Now what to do friends when we have to face ourselves. >>> >>> 1. SSC >>> Candidate allowed to bring their own scribe can misuse this facility >>> which >>> could adversely impact the transparency and integrity of the >>> examination. >>> It >>> also has the potential to disrupt the level playing field for other >>> candidates in this category who accept the scribe provided by the >>> Commission. i. Moreover the propensity for allegations/complaints of >>> unfair >>> practises could also be high. >>> Kp Supervision which is the responsibility of the Examining Authority >>> >>> 2. CBSE >>> Scribe should not have obtained qualification in same subject in which >>> the >>> candidate is appearing for the examination and should be one class lower >>> than the candidate >>> 3. National Trust >>> Scribe/reader/lab Assistant should be qualified according to the need of >>> the >>> examination and should be conversant with the language of the >>> examination. >>> He should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the >>> PwD/candidate. >>> KP Ok >>> 4. IPH >>> Whenever possible the PwD should have the same scribe for written >>> assessments as they had for other classroom tests. In all cases, the >>> scribe >>> must have an understating of how to record responses using procedures >>> described and familiar with the test including knowledge of vocabulary >>> used >>> in the test. >>> Scribe should not be in blood relation with the Pwds KP cannot have the >>> same >>> scribe Scribe should not be in blood relation to the candidate Kp OK >>> NIVH >>> NIHH left open to the examining bodies In case of graduate level >>> examination >>> the scribe can be a graduate from a different stream In case of Master >>> Level >>> Examination the scribe cab be from a different >>> discipline than that of the candidate. A graduate level scribe from >>> the >>> same discipline can be allowed for aMaster level examination in such a >>> case >>> the percentage of marks of graduate level scribe should be more than 60% >>> For >>> entrance and school tests involving basic qualification of candidate >>> upto >>> 12th std the qualification of the scribe should be one step lower than >>> that >>> of the candidate. For example 12th class candidate may be allowed an >>> 11th >>> class with not more than 70% marks. In case the candidate chooses a >>> scribe >>> 10th class pass then there should be no restriction on percentage of >>> marks. >>> >>> CCPD >>> The Para IV provides option to the candidate for opting their own scribe >>> or >>> request the examination body for the same. Both the option are relevant. >>> However keeping in view the gravity of the examination candidate's own >>> scribe should not be his/her close relative such as parents siblings etc >>> The >>> Qualification of the scribe mustbe lower than the candidate however >>> scribe >>> frim the same subject area may be allowed provided having lower >>> qualification Guidelines should clearly mention that parents and close >>> relatives will not be allowed as scribe. >>> >>> Close relative OK >>> >>> V 1. SSC >>> Scribe provided by the commission has adequate educational level The >>> overall >>> conduct of examination is done under proper invigilation/supervision to >>> check malpractices >>> >>> 2. CBSC >>> Scribe should not have obtained his/her qualification in same subject in >>> which the candidate is appearing for the examination and he /she should >>> be >>> one class lower than the candidate >>> >>> 3. National Trust >>> Scribe/reader/lab assistant should be qualified according to the need of >>> the >>> examination and should be conversant with the language of the >>> examination >>> he >>> Should not be overqualified as he may unduly assist the Pwd/candidate >>> >>> 4.IPH >>> Scribe should ne from an academic discipline different from that post of >>> written exam] Invigilator should be trained and ensure that scribe >>> remains >>> impartial and should not be any way influence the student performance on >>> the >>> test >>> >>> 5. CCPD >>> The education qualification must be decided as lower than that of >>> candidate >>> The criteria for scribe should be separate for school/college or other >>> academic examination and competitive examination >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf >>> Of SC Vashishth >>> Sent: 14 December 2017 17:42 >>> To: AI List; avinash shahi >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent >>> >>> Dear Kanchan, >>> >>> I strongly disagree on putting any restrictions on scribes. It would be >>> like >>> raising the kerbs on the kerb ramps because some biker users misuse the >>> pedestrian sidewalks. This is an issue of enforcement. >>> >>> The mechanism of invigilation need to be made foolproof. Also there has >>> to >>> be gradual shift to technology where people are more independent. >>> >>> So far courts have supported our cause, so has the ministry. But if our >>> own >>> committee give a differing opinion based on this cases it might be >>> counterproductive for all the efforts of the sector to get that >>> guideline >>> in >>> place. See how it can be salvaged! >>> >>> Regards >>> Subhash Chandra Vashishth >>> >>> On 14-Dec-2017 3:59 PM, "Kanchan Pamnani" <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013 >>> > >>> > What limitations can we allow on scribes >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private >>> > scribes be banned. Luckily the court has not agreed with this >>> > decision. >>> > >>> > However we will have to agree to some restrictions. >>> > >>> > The malpractises and complaints about malpractises is going out of >>> > hand. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Please help! >>> > >>> > At present there is no limitation and there is wide spread misuse by >>> > our community >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > K >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > --- >>> > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> > http://www.avg.com >>> > The list has now migrated to www.accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in >>> > >>> > You should now post to the id: a...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Search for old postings at: >>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> > >>> > To unsubscribe send a message to >>> > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> > with the subject unsubscribe. >>> > >>> > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> > please visit the list home page at >>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org >>> > .in >>> > >>> > >>> > Disclaimer: >>> > 1. 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