Re: [AI] braille BUDGET 2014

Kanchan Pamnani Thu, 10 Jul 2014 06:34:40 -0700

Do you have a senior citizen in your family or even a middle aged personthen think of that person when yu say things like"Well, if a blind persondoesn't know braille, then he/she should make

efforts to learn it."

Maybe schemes are made for the lettered then probably half the budget and alot of India is out of it.

Kanchan Pamnani
Advocate & Solicitor
9, Suleman Chambers,
Battery Street, Colaba,
Mumbai - 400 039.

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Well, if a blind person doesn't know braille, then he/she should make
efforts to learn it.
The schemes can be launched only for literate ones, not for unlettered.

On 7/10/14, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote:

Lets start with the fact that "Braille is important even today"-there isno

dispute or difference on this statement amongst us.
Now lets see the issues in perspective-
1. We have a problem with texts not reaching the students in time for the

academic year.So the government has budgeted for improvement of oldbraille

presses and setting up new ones. Great laudable initiative.
a. Has anyone amongst us spoken about the quality of reading by our so
called braille teachers? Unless we demand quality education from both

inclusive and special schools we are not going to go further. The basicsofeducation for a blind child is braille and I am sorry to see theconditionof braille reading in this country. For this we can blame our teachersand

for the bad quality of teachers we can blame the NGOs to some extent, who
train and certify such teachers. Who is going to bell this cat?

The problem of material may soon get over because of this budget but then
who is going to use this material and who is going to decipher it for our
young ones?

b. I cannot comment on the financial issues of running a braille press
because I have never gone into that area with any NGO. there are many who
can comment on this issue.
c. The quality of material churned out by these Braille presses- I cannot
comment from my own knowledge but I am told by many people who use these

presses that the quality is not so good now because the proof reading isnot

good enough.

d. The issue of distribution, merging with technology and widening thereach

of these presses  others who deal with these matters can fill us in with.

2. Notes with Braille marking-great initiative on paper
This has been in the pipeline for quite a while.
a. The possibility of actually being able to distinguish marks whether

braille or raised numbers or some tactile indicators depends upon thepaperused and on how we use the notes.Therefore I think it is a greatinitiativebut may not result in much. RBI is going to come out with Rs. 10 notesin

plastic-maybe that can be a test case for the tactile markings.
b. The number of persons with congenitle blindness is reducing because of

better nutrition, eradication of smallpox etc. The number of late blindis

increasing for various reasons including the fact that people are living

longer and may get age related diseases so the kinds of users ischanging.

This does not take away from the fact that braille is important but
acceptance of universal design is important too.

We must also focus on the other 3 items mentioned in the budget-all these
have been on the anvil for a while.

Also we have to look at all the initiatives on e-tendering, egovernance,

eclearances and a host of internet related matters that have beenmentioned

in the budget and outside it in the last 1 month.

 Kanchan Pamnani
Advocate & Solicitor
9, Suleman Chambers,
Battery Street, Colaba,
Mumbai - 400 039.



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Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Notes BUDGET 2014

There is no one answer to your question dear! I never said that blind
people should not learn Braille! I only said that if there are blind
people who have never had the opportunity of learning to read and write
due to various reasons, as you maybe aware that not all blind are

fortunate enough to be able to learn to read and write? And of coursetheones who don't know Braille and are educated, they can learn the same.It

will be very useful I think. So  I hope I have made my question clear?
Preeti

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if reading and writing with the pen and pencil is necessary for the
sighted
person then why not braille should be larnt by blind people?

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You are absolutely right Kanchan! And what happens to those who can not
read
or write? Or to those who can read and write, but not in Braille?
Preeti

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   This is another issue we will have to debate.
the braille markings that we have seen as prototypes are not really
distinguishable. Therefore this may be great for sentimental reasons but
not

good practically.

There were many of us who tested these markings in 2009 and 2010 andnone

of

us found it useful.

Please also remember the scenario in India when notes are folded intomanysmall portions and then these folded notes are saved in bras and inmany

unmentionable places. Also dont forget the sweat etc. these all make
reading

of braille difficult.

Kanchan Pamnani
Advocate & Solicitor
9, Suleman Chambers,
Battery Street, Colaba,
Mumbai - 400 039.



----- Original Message -----
From: "avinash shahi" <shahi88avin...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 2:06 PM
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Nothing is accessible when money is inaccessible....

Jaitely hope your government acts swiftly...
And Louis Braille you long live..
On 7/10/14, li...@srinivasu.org <li...@srinivasu.org> wrote:

I meant daisy along with production of Braille.

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula | PayPal | @csrinivasu
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On 10-Jul-2014, at 11:56, Avichal Bhatnagar <coolavic...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Kudos to modi government for bringing a disabled friendly budget!
DAISY is no doubt a good way of accessing books, however it can never
replace braille. and hence we should focus on making more braille
material available.

On 7/10/14, li...@srinivasu.org <li...@srinivasu.org> wrote:
Also propose to modernise existing Braille presses and introducing
Braille
on currency notes.

I think we should follow -up with respective departments and makethis

happen.

Another note, as part of modernisation why not to ask them to adopt
DAISY?
Dipendra , Sam - comments?

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula | PayPal | @csrinivasu
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On 10-Jul-2014, at 11:29, "bhawani shankar verma"
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wrote:

Dear list,

it is proposed to establish 15 new braille presses in this budget.

bhawani shankar verma punjab national bank durg, chhattisgarh
Ph:9827157594 office:07882332562/2323097 skype : bsvermadurg


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