so many thanks for your valuable suggestion about braille i want to
say one thing only maximume sighted people are comming to this field
only for earning in the name of service to the vi people.

On 7/11/14, Preeti Monga <preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in> wrote:
> Yes, Avinash, you have pointed out true and very important points. I do
> hope
> things get going here in our country!
> Preeti
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of avinash shahi
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 8:39 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] braille BUDGET 2014
>
> Dear Mam
>
> You've put in so much efforts in putting things in 'perspective',thank you.
>
> Let me put things straight
>
> One: Computers are privileged commodities which can't be afford by 90%
> parents who have blind kids (see World Bank Report on India, 2007).
> Then Braille becomes emancipating and empowering tool for blind kids
> who are not in Delhi or Mumbai.
>
> two: I wonder why cost benefit analyses should be the responsibility
> of us, its the constitutional responsibility of the state. Isn't our
> Disability Act 1995 enjoins government to do so? If books are not
> supplied on time by government-owned presses, Can't so called
> disability activists organize sit-ins on the roads? bottomline:
> meetings and negotiations in AC rooms can not cure emergency
> situation.
>
> 3: practically writing, 'Inclusive education' is attractive 'buzzword'
> which masque the real discrimination and humiliation disabled children
> face in such schools which robs them of their childhood then
> adulthood.  West-imported concept replicated in India is neither
> suited nor workable particularly in rural areas. . such schools cater
> to the needs of few selective fortunate boys/girls who are privileged
> enough to manage things on their own cost.
>
>
> four: 'Universal Design' again sounds wonderful, there is no mechanism
> how to operationalize it. How can I get to know bus-number? how to
> read which medicine my friend has given me to swallow? and yes how to
> identify notes?  only trust holds the key. Blindness imposes certain
> limitation and State is obligated to provide greater resources to us.
> I think there should be syntheses between both Braille and latest
> technology. And government should work expeditiously to meet the needs
> of its neglected subjects, Note: majority of blind people are not
> citizens.
>
> On 7/10/14, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Lets start with the fact that "Braille is important even today"-there is
> no
>> dispute or difference on this statement amongst us.
>> Now lets see the issues in perspective-
>> 1. We have a problem with texts not reaching the students in time for the
>> academic year.So the government has budgeted for improvement of old
> braille
>> presses and setting up new ones. Great laudable initiative.
>> a. Has anyone amongst us spoken about the quality of reading by our so
>> called braille teachers? Unless we demand quality education from both
>> inclusive and special schools we are not going to go further. The basics
> of
>> education for a blind child is braille and I am sorry to see the
>> condition
>> of braille reading in this country. For this we can blame our teachers
>> and
>> for the bad quality of teachers we can blame the NGOs to some extent, who
>> train and certify such teachers. Who is going to bell this cat?
>>
>> The problem of material may soon get over because of this budget but then
>> who is going to use this material and who is going to decipher it for our
>> young ones?
>>
>> b. I cannot comment on the financial issues of running a braille press
>> because I have never gone into that area with any NGO. there are many who
>> can comment on this issue.
>> c. The quality of material churned out by these Braille presses- I cannot
>> comment from my own knowledge but I am told by many people who use these
>> presses that the quality is not so good now because the proof reading is
> not
>> good enough.
>> d. The issue of distribution, merging with technology and widening the
> reach
>> of these presses  others who deal with these matters can fill us in with.
>>
>> 2. Notes with Braille marking-great initiative on paper
>> This has been in the pipeline for quite a while.
>> a. The possibility of actually being able to distinguish marks whether
>> braille or raised numbers or some tactile indicators depends upon the
> paper
>> used and on how we use the notes.Therefore I think it is a great
> initiative
>> but may not result in much. RBI  is going to come out with Rs. 10 notes
>> in
>> plastic-maybe that can be a test case for the tactile markings.
>> b. The number of persons with congenitle blindness is reducing because of
>> better nutrition, eradication of smallpox etc. The number of late blind
>> is
>> increasing for various reasons including the fact that people are living
>> longer and may get age related diseases so the kinds of users is
>> changing.
>> This does not take away from the fact that braille is important but
>> acceptance of universal design is important too.
>>
>> We must also focus on the other 3 items mentioned in the budget-all these
>> have been on the anvil for a while.
>>
>> Also we have to look at all the initiatives on e-tendering, egovernance,
>> eclearances and a host of internet related matters that have been
> mentioned
>> in the budget and outside it in the last 1 month.
>>
>>  Kanchan Pamnani
>> Advocate & Solicitor
>> 9, Suleman Chambers,
>> Battery Street, Colaba,
>> Mumbai - 400 039.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Preeti Monga" <preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in>
>> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerningthe disabled.'" <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Notes BUDGET 2014
>>
>>
>>> There is no one answer to your question dear! I never said that blind
>>> people should not learn Braille! I only said that if there are blind
>>> people who have never had the opportunity of learning to read and write
>>> due to various reasons, as you maybe aware that not all blind are
>>> fortunate enough to be able to learn to read and write? And of course
>>> the
>>> ones who don't know Braille and are educated, they can learn the same.
>>> It
>>> will be very useful I think. So  I hope I have made my question clear?
>>> Preeti
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>>> Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:21 PM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and
>>> issuesconcerning
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>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Notes BUDGET 2014
>>>
>>> if reading and writing with the pen and pencil is necessary for the
>>> sighted
>>> person then why not braille should be larnt by blind people?
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Preeti Monga
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 3:19 PM
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerningthe disabled.'
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Notes BUDGET 2014
>>>
>>> You are absolutely right Kanchan! And what happens to those who can not
>>> read
>>> or write? Or to those who can read and write, but not in Braille?
>>> Preeti
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> Behalf
>>> Of Kanchan Pamnani
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 3:15 PM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and
>>> issuesconcerning
>>> the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Notes BUDGET 2014
>>>
>>>
>>>    This is another issue we will have to debate.
>>> the braille markings that we have seen as prototypes are not really
>>> distinguishable. Therefore this may be great for sentimental reasons but
>>> not
>>>
>>> good practically.
>>> There were many of us who tested these markings in 2009 and 2010 and
>>> none
>>> of
>>>
>>> us found it useful.
>>> Please also remember the scenario in India when notes are folded into
> many
>>> small portions and then these folded notes are saved in bras and in
>>> many
>>> unmentionable places. Also dont forget the sweat etc. these all make
>>> reading
>>>
>>> of braille difficult.
>>>
>>> Kanchan Pamnani
>>> Advocate & Solicitor
>>> 9, Suleman Chambers,
>>> Battery Street, Colaba,
>>> Mumbai - 400 039.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "avinash shahi" <shahi88avin...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 2:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] BUDGET 2014
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nothing is accessible when money is inaccessible....
>>>>
>>>> Jaitely hope your government acts swiftly...
>>>> And Louis Braille you long live..
>>>> On 7/10/14, li...@srinivasu.org <li...@srinivasu.org> wrote:
>>>>> I meant daisy along with production of Braille.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | PayPal | @csrinivasu
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 5C
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10-Jul-2014, at 11:56, Avichal Bhatnagar <coolavic...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kudos to modi government for bringing a disabled friendly budget!
>>>>>> DAISY is no doubt a good way of accessing books, however it can never
>>>>>> replace braille. and hence we should focus on making more braille
>>>>>> material available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/10/14, li...@srinivasu.org <li...@srinivasu.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Also propose to modernise existing Braille presses and introducing
>>>>>>> Braille
>>>>>>> on currency notes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think we should follow -up with respective departments and make
> this
>>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another note, as part of modernisation why not to ask them to adopt
>>>>>>> DAISY?
>>>>>>> Dipendra , Sam - comments?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | PayPal | @csrinivasu
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 5C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10-Jul-2014, at 11:29, "bhawani shankar verma"
>>>>>>>> <bsvermad...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear list,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it is proposed to establish 15 new braille presses in this budget.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bhawani shankar verma punjab national bank durg, chhattisgarh
>>>>>>>> Ph:9827157594 office:07882332562/2323097 skype : bsvermadurg
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