madam! Most of the cases sighted teachers are not at all interested to learn braille. Even they don't have any devotion to their blind student. there are many shopping centers opened for special B.Ed where they can purchase their Degrees. Also those NGOs are doing advocacy for employment of the blind people, how many blind people have been placed in their own offices.

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Bhivani
It is not sighted or non sighted teachers that is the problem but the problem is that teachers dont know braille enough to teach the students therefore what we are getting is half baked braille readers.
Kanchan Pamnani
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Battery Street, Colaba,
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recruitment of sighted teachers in blind schools should be reduce. also the special B.Ed. programmes for the blind should not be occupied by the sighted trainees. on the other hand, in the highcourt of bilaspur in the case nfb vs cg government, cg government pleaded that they could not find qualified blind candidates in chhattisgarh to fill the vacancies reserved for the blind. it is right upto some extent, because there was no blind applicant for the vacancies of teachers in social welfare deptt of chhattisgar. in such cases government has no option to fill the vacancies with other disabilities or with the sighted candidates. however, the highcourt has given time for 6 month to the secretary to excercise the matter again. Most of the NGOs are running shops on the name of blind welfare. but, the case may be same for the sighted people where the NGOs are working for various welfare programmes.

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Lets start with the fact that "Braille is important even today"-there is no dispute or difference on this statement amongst us.
Now lets see the issues in perspective-
1. We have a problem with texts not reaching the students in time for the academic year.So the government has budgeted for improvement of old braille presses and setting up new ones. Great laudable initiative. a. Has anyone amongst us spoken about the quality of reading by our so called braille teachers? Unless we demand quality education from both inclusive and special schools we are not going to go further. The basics of education for a blind child is braille and I am sorry to see the condition of braille reading in this country. For this we can blame our teachers and for the bad quality of teachers we can blame the NGOs to some extent, who train and certify such teachers. Who is going to bell this cat?

The problem of material may soon get over because of this budget but then who is going to use this material and who is going to decipher it for our young ones?

b. I cannot comment on the financial issues of running a braille press because I have never gone into that area with any NGO. there are many who can comment on this issue. c. The quality of material churned out by these Braille presses- I cannot comment from my own knowledge but I am told by many people who use these presses that the quality is not so good now because the proof reading is not good enough. d. The issue of distribution, merging with technology and widening the reach of these presses others who deal with these matters can fill us in with.

2. Notes with Braille marking-great initiative on paper
This has been in the pipeline for quite a while.
a. The possibility of actually being able to distinguish marks whether braille or raised numbers or some tactile indicators depends upon the paper used and on how we use the notes.Therefore I think it is a great initiative but may not result in much. RBI is going to come out with Rs. 10 notes in plastic-maybe that can be a test case for the tactile markings. b. The number of persons with congenitle blindness is reducing because of better nutrition, eradication of smallpox etc. The number of late blind is increasing for various reasons including the fact that people are living longer and may get age related diseases so the kinds of users is changing. This does not take away from the fact that braille is important but acceptance of universal design is important too.

We must also focus on the other 3 items mentioned in the budget-all these have been on the anvil for a while.

Also we have to look at all the initiatives on e-tendering, egovernance, eclearances and a host of internet related matters that have been mentioned in the budget and outside it in the last 1 month.

Kanchan Pamnani
Advocate & Solicitor
9, Suleman Chambers,
Battery Street, Colaba,
Mumbai - 400 039.



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There is no one answer to your question dear! I never said that blind people should not learn Braille! I only said that if there are blind people who have never had the opportunity of learning to read and write due to various reasons, as you maybe aware that not all blind are fortunate enough to be able to learn to read and write? And of course the ones who don’t know Braille and are educated, they can learn the same. It will be very useful I think. So I hope I have made my question clear?
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if reading and writing with the pen and pencil is necessary for the sighted
person then why not braille should be larnt by blind people?


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You are absolutely right Kanchan! And what happens to those who can not read
or write? Or to those who can read and write, but not in Braille?
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   This is another issue we will have to debate.
the braille markings that we have seen as prototypes are not really
distinguishable. Therefore this may be great for sentimental reasons but not

good practically.
There were many of us who tested these markings in 2009 and 2010 and none of

us found it useful.
Please also remember the scenario in India when notes are folded into many small portions and then these folded notes are saved in bras and in many unmentionable places. Also dont forget the sweat etc. these all make reading

of braille difficult.

Kanchan Pamnani
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Battery Street, Colaba,
Mumbai - 400 039.



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Nothing is accessible when money is inaccessible....

Jaitely hope your government acts swiftly...
And Louis Braille you long live..
On 7/10/14, li...@srinivasu.org <li...@srinivasu.org> wrote:
I meant daisy along with production of Braille.

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On 10-Jul-2014, at 11:56, Avichal Bhatnagar <coolavic...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Kudos to modi government for bringing a disabled friendly budget!
DAISY is no doubt a good way of accessing books, however it can never
replace braille. and hence we should focus on making more braille
material available.

On 7/10/14, li...@srinivasu.org <li...@srinivasu.org> wrote:
Also propose to modernise existing Braille presses and introducing
Braille
on currency notes.

I think we should follow -up with respective departments and make this
happen.

Another note, as part of modernisation why not to ask them to adopt
DAISY?
Dipendra , Sam - comments?

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Dear list,

it is proposed to establish 15 new braille presses in this budget.

bhawani shankar verma punjab national bank durg, chhattisgarh
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