Umm, Bill - fake news. Came in my 2016 Cayman GTS for nada…
> On Nov 22, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah. Only $4K each.
>
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> On 11/22/2019 3:51 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>> woah! you can get cupholders in a Porsche these days?!
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 3:30 PM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com
>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>> Having gone through Porsche ordering hell, 8K gets you cupholders
>> finally, Sound system? More like 15...
>>
>> On 11/22/2019 01:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> > Toyota is super nice when it comes to base models. I got a 4 cylinder
>> > Tacoma (should have gotten the v6, it's way too underpowered) base model
>> > and it has touchscreen with bluetooth. Power windows/locks/etc.
>> >
>> > Porsche on the other hand requires you have something like $8k in
>> > options for that feature. Another $2k if you want the bluetooth to do
>> > audio as well.
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
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>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 3:56 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
>> > <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
>> > <mailto:af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > It was mostly a dig at the lowest priced option a manufacturer makes
>> > probably is missing a variety of features one is used to.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
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>> > *Sent: *Friday, November 22, 2019 2:53:33 PM
>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
>> >
>> > Yes Mike, it's a Toyota. Not Pontiac.
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 3:51 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
>> > <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
>> > <mailto:af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Does a $30k truck come with AC? Power windows? Radio?
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>>
>> > *To: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com
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>> > <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>>,
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>> > *Sent: *Friday, November 22, 2019 2:49:15 PM
>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
>> >
>> > OK... and? Still a far cry from $40 or $50.
>> >
>> > On 11/22/19 3:42 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>> > > That's $32,780...
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 2:35 PM Matt Hoppes
>> > > <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
>> > > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > That’s the current model.
>> > >
>> > > Here’s the bill of sale:
>> > >
>> > > image1.jpeg
>> > >
>> > > On Nov 22, 2019, at 1:55 PM, Josh Luthman
>> > > <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
>> > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>>>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> That's $36k, 20% more...
>> > >>
>> > >> Josh Luthman
>> > >> Office: 937-552-2340
>> > >> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > >> 1100 Wayne St
>> > >> Suite 1337
>> > >> Troy, OH 45373
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 1:08 PM Matt Hoppes
>> > >> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
>> > >> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> I’ll get you the bill of sale when I get back to the
>> > office.
>> > >>
>> > >> Brand new 2018 Tundra. 100 miles. Never owned. No
>> > issue.
>> > >>
>> > >> Here’s a comparably equipped 2019 for $34k.
>> > >>
>> > >> <image1.png>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Nov 22, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman
>> > >> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
>> > >> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> You think a truck would have sat on the lot for a
>> > year?
>> > >>> Tundras don't sell well, but I don't think they sell
>> > >>> remarkably bad.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Josh Luthman
>> > >>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> > >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > >>> 1100 Wayne St
>> > >>> Suite 1337
>> > >>> Troy, OH 45373
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 12:38 PM Robert
>> > >>> <i...@avantwireless.com
>> > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
>> > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>
>> > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
>> > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>>>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Last year lot sitter, sure....
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 11/22/19 9:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> > >>>> I seriously doubt you got a new, untitled,
>> > Tundra for
>> > >>>> $30k, Especially with options. There's no
>> > way they're
>> > >>>> doing a 10%+ discount for you or anyone else
>> > with a
>> > >>>> single quantity purchase. I'll believe 30k
>> > when I see
>> > >>>> the bill of sale.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Josh Luthman
>> > >>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> > >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > >>>> 1100 Wayne St
>> > >>>> Suite 1337
>> > >>>> Troy, OH 45373
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 10:57 AM Matt Hoppes
>> > >>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
>> > >>>> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I absolutely know what trucks cost and
>> > $50-$60k is
>> > >>>> way too much. We
>> > >>>> purchased a brand new Toyota Tundra two
>> > years ago
>> > >>>> for $30k... outfitted
>> > >>>> well.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On 11/22/19 10:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> > >>>> > To be consistent with my feelings on
>> > their semi
>> > >>>> truck, as long as the
>> > >>>> > performance, specifications,
>> > reliability, utility
>> > >>>> are as promised, I
>> > >>>> > care much less about how it appears.
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > That $40k price point is nice, though
>> > I'd want at
>> > >>>> least the $50k to have
>> > >>>> > AWD.
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > I've seen people say stuff like, "OMG,
>> > that too
>> > >>>> much money for a truck."
>> > >>>> > Clearly they have no idea what trucks
>> > cost. I
>> > >>>> haven't seen what the
>> > >>>> > electric ATV costs.
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > I also wonder what else changes between
>> > the tiers.
>> > >>>> Adding more motors
>> > >>>> > shouldn't add to the range of the
>> > vehicle, so
>> > >>>> what's happening with the
>> > >>>> > battery, weight, etc. Adding more batteries
>> > >>>> shouldn't make it faster, so
>> > >>>> > what's up with the extra motors?
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > I'm more willing to admit I don't need
>> > to pull a
>> > >>>> house with my daily
>> > >>>> > driver because I can always get
>> > something from the
>> > >>>> farm. I just want it
>> > >>>> > to be big enough to handle most things.
>> > Hell, even
>> > >>>> the 14k towing would
>> > >>>> > be enough for our Bobcat and trailer.
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > I wonder how trailers work with the
>> > EVs... how
>> > >>>> easy is it to add (or
>> > >>>> > get the option for) gooseneck, fifth
>> > wheel, etc.
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > I do like the hard, lockable tonneau
>> > cover. Maybe
>> > >>>> Rivian had it
>> > >>>> > available and I just forgot. Nice place
>> > to store a
>> > >>>> bunch of tools for a
>> > >>>> > work truck, though no place to add a
>> > ladder rack.
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > I was annoyed they didn't have battery
>> > specs, but
>> > >>>> I suppose that could
>> > >>>> > still be fuzzy. Maybe they don't know if
>> > they need
>> > >>>> 100 or 110 kw to meet
>> > >>>> > their advertised performance numbers.
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > Weight would be nice to know as well.
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > I'm not surprised on the design. All
>> > else equal,
>> > >>>> I'd probably prefer the
>> > >>>> > Rivian, but let's see how things
>> > actually bare
>> > >>>> out. What's the "mpg"
>> > >>>> > compared to Rivian? I guess it'd be MPkWh?
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > -----
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>> > >>>> > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
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>> > >>>> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
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>> > >>>> > *Sent: *Friday, November 22, 2019 9:25:31
>> > AM
>> > >>>> > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Cybertruck
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > I was expecting to see some comments
>> > from this
>> > >>>> crowd. Was everyone
>> > >>>> > suitably underwhelmed? Or running out
>> > to place
>> > >>>> your pre-orders?
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > I think I saw one comment that it looked
>> > like a
>> > >>>> cross between an El
>> > >>>> > Camino and a Pontiac Aztec. It
>> > certainly was not
>> > >>>> what I expected when I
>> > >>>> > heard Tesla was going to bring out an
>> > electric
>> > >>>> truck. It sounds like
>> > >>>> > the 3 motor version will indeed be fast,
>> > but how
>> > >>>> big a market is there
>> > >>>> > for a fast, expensive, ugly truck?
>> > Maybe more
>> > >>>> than I realize.
>> > >>>> >
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