Yeah, nobody normally charges on a 120v outlet. A 20 amp 240v outlet would be probably be fine for most people, but unless you almost never drive more than about 40 miles a day, a standard 120v outlet isn't going to cut it...
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 5:18 PM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: > I don't know anyone, and there are a boatload of Teslas in Reno now, > that just charges at 20 amp outlet rates. 50 amp outlet is a no > brainer. To the point that new houses going up are wiring the garages > with 50 amp outlets as a sales feature here. > > On 11/30/2019 12:40 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > > Right. But a standard 120volt 20amp outlet like found on many generators > > will only charge at 5 miles per hour. > > > > On Nov 30, 2019, at 3:19 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> > > <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > > > >> Totally depends on the current of the charger. If you are charging at > >> 400 amps it does not take long to fill the batts. > >> *From:* Matt Hoppes > >> *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2019 11:56 AM > >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck > >> You being a generator and charge at the astounding rate of 5 miles per > >> hour. > >> So let’s say you’re 30 miles from town. That’s 6 hours you’ll need to > >> wait with the generator running. > >> > >> On Nov 30, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > >> > >>> What do you do when an EV runs out of charge in the middle of > >>> nowhere? Let’s say you call someone, what do they bring? Can you > >>> charge it from a typical portable generator? If you call a tow > >>> service, do they have fast chargers on their trucks? > >>> > >>> Not making a point, just asking. Maybe there is a simple answer. I > >>> don’t drive an EV so I don’t know. > >>> > >>> Chuck with his Leaf could put it in limp mode and try to make it to a > >>> charging station, or a hybrid could run on gas. > >>> > >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > >>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:35 AM > >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck > >>> > >>> There is no instance where simple increase in speed will take you > >>> from 50 miles range to 8 in a gas vehicle. Even heavy braking and > >>> hard acceleration. Maybe an 8 mile burn out would consume 50 miles > >>> worth of fuel, but then that's not a simple increase in speed. > >>> > >>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 9:22 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Matt, > >>> > >>> I don't believe you've ever actually given any attention to your > >>> gas vehicle while driving it. Look at your mpg during normal > >>> driving with no load and temps about 65. Then check mpg when it's > >>> below 30, then again when you have a trailer attached, then again > >>> by pretending you're in a police chase and accelerating heavily. > >>> > >>> Your mpg will change at nearly equal percentage to electric > vehicles. > >>> > >>> Don't knock it until you try it. I've got 35,000 miles on my > >>> Tesla so far and made it through a Minnesota winter already and > >>> just going into our second winter. I've learned a lot but at the > >>> end of the day, I've never ran out of juice and my car is no less > >>> efficient than a gas car in the same driving conditions. > >>> > >>> You've obviously never heard of all the police chases where their > >>> gas vehicles run out of gas during a chase either. It happens all > >>> the time actually, it just doesn't make the news because it's not > >>> a Tesla. I've talked with state troopers and our sheriff's > >>> department and they all have stories of cars running out of gas > >>> during highspeed chases because they're putting way more load on > >>> their cars. > >>> > >>> So instead of being a hater just because you can, why don't you > >>> schedule a test drive of a Tesla or other EV's and you can learn > >>> something. I'll say it again, EV's today work for 99% of drivers > >>> in the US. In another 2 years with more charging infrastructure, > >>> they'll work for 100% of drivers all the time and there will be > >>> zero chance of running out of juice. > >>> > >>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 9:06 AM Matt Hoppes > >>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> That’s a fan boy answer. Yes it is the cars fault. The car > >>> said 50 miles of range. Which then dropped to 8 because > >>> electric motors aren’t efficient at high speeds. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Nov 30, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Darin Steffl > >>> <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> For that police chase article, the department actually > >>> updated and said the car wasn't fully charged the night > >>> before from the officer who used it last. He forgot to > >>> plug it in so the car never started the shift with a full > >>> charge. Not the Teslas fault. > >>> > >>> > https://electrek.co/2019/09/25/tesla-police-cruiser-runs-out-battery-chase-user-error/ > >>> > >>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:43 AM Darin Steffl > >>> <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Matt, > >>> > >>> You said gas is the same no matter what. That's > >>> totally false. Mpg gets worse in every gad vehicle > >>> with cold temps and higher loads as well. > >>> > >>> In the cold, I've always lost 4 to 8 mpg in my truck > >>> or Honda accord in the winter. With the snowmobile > >>> trailer pulling behind our chevy, we get about 10mpg > >>> compared to our 19mpg without it. > >>> > >>> I'm not sure why you would say gas vehicles are > >>> immune to the same things that affect battery range. > >>> > >>> Anyway, plugging in every night pretty much handles > >>> 99% of most peoples daily miles. I can day our work > >>> vans definitely don't drive more than the 300 to 500 > >>> mile range the truck will have. My model 3 is 310 > >>> miles with normal weather and in the winter, about > >>> 250 miles which always takes care of my daily drive. > >>> Roadtrips have superchargers all over except in north > >>> Dakota. It's on their to do list. > >>> > >>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:22 AM Matt Hoppes > >>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> Thanks for bringing that up, Chuck. > >>> > >>> This is exactly what scares me about electric > >>> vehicles and an electric > >>> truck: > >>> > https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/us/tesla-police-car-chase.html > >>> > >>> “We think it started the pursuit with about 50 > >>> miles left on the charge, > >>> but when cars accelerate at speeds such as the > >>> situation, going over 110 > >>> miles per hour, the car charge starts to drain > >>> down faster,” Ms. Bosques > >>> said. > >>> > >>> The officer had "50 miles" left on the charge, > >>> but as soon as he started > >>> the chase the range dropped to 8 miles and he had > >>> to call off the chase. > >>> > >>> Imagine having your truck say you have 100 miles > >>> to go, and you start up > >>> a steep mountain incline to get to a tower site > >>> and suddenly get > >>> stranded because it dropped to 10 miles of range > >>> from the load of > >>> pulling up the hill. > >>> > >>> Gas - I always know what I have and in general > >>> it's the same no matter what. > >>> Electric - Huge variations depending on > >>> temperature and usage. > >>> > >>> On 11/30/19 8:56 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >>> > Depends on distance. My car is always > >>> charged. So I always have 200 miles on the > >>> tank. At the end of a full day of driving yes it > >>> needs to be charged. Local police departments > >>> are making Teslas work. Just takes a different > >>> mindset. 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