In my mind, this argument is similar to not wearing a seatbelt because you
might get trapped in a burning vehicle. Technically true, but the advantages
far outweigh the disadvantages in my opinion.
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 4:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
I haven’t. But I have run out of gas maybe two or three times in my life for
one reason or another.
Very easy for someone to bring me a 5 gallon jug of go juice and I’m off for
150 miles.
On Nov 30, 2019, at 3:59 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
AAA generators are level 2 and some level 3.
Level 2 40 amp 240 chargers can add 30 miles of driving range in an hour.
But how many times have you called AAA because you ran out of gas?
Never, because you manage it. Electrics just take a different kind of
managing it.
I have never run out of charge except for the time I did it on purpose.
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 3:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
Right. But a standard 120volt 20amp outlet like found on many generators will
only charge at 5 miles per hour.
On Nov 30, 2019, at 3:19 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Totally depends on the current of the charger. If you are charging at 400
amps it does not take long to fill the batts.
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 11:56 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
You being a generator and charge at the astounding rate of 5 miles per
hour.
So let’s say you’re 30 miles from town. That’s 6 hours you’ll need to wait
with the generator running.
On Nov 30, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
What do you do when an EV runs out of charge in the middle of nowhere?
Let’s say you call someone, what do they bring? Can you charge it from a
typical portable generator? If you call a tow service, do they have fast
chargers on their trucks?
Not making a point, just asking. Maybe there is a simple answer. I
don’t drive an EV so I don’t know.
Chuck with his Leaf could put it in limp mode and try to make it to a
charging station, or a hybrid could run on gas.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck
There is no instance where simple increase in speed will take you from 50
miles range to 8 in a gas vehicle. Even heavy braking and hard acceleration.
Maybe an 8 mile burn out would consume 50 miles worth of fuel, but then that's
not a simple increase in speed.
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 9:22 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
wrote:
Matt,
I don't believe you've ever actually given any attention to your gas
vehicle while driving it. Look at your mpg during normal driving with no load
and temps about 65. Then check mpg when it's below 30, then again when you have
a trailer attached, then again by pretending you're in a police chase and
accelerating heavily.
Your mpg will change at nearly equal percentage to electric vehicles.
Don't knock it until you try it. I've got 35,000 miles on my Tesla so
far and made it through a Minnesota winter already and just going into our
second winter. I've learned a lot but at the end of the day, I've never ran out
of juice and my car is no less efficient than a gas car in the same driving
conditions.
You've obviously never heard of all the police chases where their gas
vehicles run out of gas during a chase either. It happens all the time
actually, it just doesn't make the news because it's not a Tesla. I've talked
with state troopers and our sheriff's department and they all have stories of
cars running out of gas during highspeed chases because they're putting way
more load on their cars.
So instead of being a hater just because you can, why don't you
schedule a test drive of a Tesla or other EV's and you can learn something.
I'll say it again, EV's today work for 99% of drivers in the US. In another 2
years with more charging infrastructure, they'll work for 100% of drivers all
the time and there will be zero chance of running out of juice.
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 9:06 AM Matt Hoppes
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
That’s a fan boy answer. Yes it is the cars fault. The car said 50
miles of range. Which then dropped to 8 because electric motors aren’t
efficient at high speeds.
On Nov 30, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
wrote:
For that police chase article, the department actually updated and
said the car wasn't fully charged the night before from the officer who used it
last. He forgot to plug it in so the car never started the shift with a full
charge. Not the Teslas fault.
https://electrek.co/2019/09/25/tesla-police-cruiser-runs-out-battery-chase-user-error/
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:43 AM Darin Steffl
<darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
Matt,
You said gas is the same no matter what. That's totally false.
Mpg gets worse in every gad vehicle with cold temps and higher loads as well.
In the cold, I've always lost 4 to 8 mpg in my truck or Honda
accord in the winter. With the snowmobile trailer pulling behind our chevy, we
get about 10mpg compared to our 19mpg without it.
I'm not sure why you would say gas vehicles are immune to the
same things that affect battery range.
Anyway, plugging in every night pretty much handles 99% of most
peoples daily miles. I can day our work vans definitely don't drive more than
the 300 to 500 mile range the truck will have. My model 3 is 310 miles with
normal weather and in the winter, about 250 miles which always takes care of my
daily drive. Roadtrips have superchargers all over except in north Dakota. It's
on their to do list.
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:22 AM Matt Hoppes
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
Thanks for bringing that up, Chuck.
This is exactly what scares me about electric vehicles and an
electric
truck:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/us/tesla-police-car-chase.html
“We think it started the pursuit with about 50 miles left on
the charge,
but when cars accelerate at speeds such as the situation, going
over 110
miles per hour, the car charge starts to drain down faster,”
Ms. Bosques
said.
The officer had "50 miles" left on the charge, but as soon as
he started
the chase the range dropped to 8 miles and he had to call off
the chase.
Imagine having your truck say you have 100 miles to go, and you
start up
a steep mountain incline to get to a tower site and suddenly
get
stranded because it dropped to 10 miles of range from the load
of
pulling up the hill.
Gas - I always know what I have and in general it's the same no
matter what.
Electric - Huge variations depending on temperature and usage.
On 11/30/19 8:56 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Depends on distance. My car is always charged. So I always
have 200 miles on the tank. At the end of a full day of driving yes it needs
to be charged. Local police departments are making Teslas work. Just takes a
different mindset. No maintenance and a truck good for a half million miles
with no fuel costs is pretty attractive to me (I charge with solar).
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