Out of curiosity, when going downhill or coasting, can these motors act as an alternator and charge the batteries?
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 10:18 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > 4mpg would still be 16 miles, not 8 > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 10:01 AM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote: > >> I so beg to differ!!! You take a _very_ high performance Police engine >> and put in the 4 gallons of gas to get a normal 50 mile range and then >> go start driving it at max performance and it will go to 4 MPG so fast >> your head will spin. I drive a power wagon to get to mountain tops and >> it regularly goes from 100 miles range to 30 miles when I go offroad. >> The FIRST think I do when I need to do a serious day is make sure it is >> FULL. It would be actually easier if I was able to leave it on the >> charger every night and know that I started out _every_ day with 500 >> miles on the estimated range. Knowing that if I went to an offroad >> site I would actually only get 200 miles with heavy load ( and would >> actually be adding to the range going back downhill. You _aren't_ >> going to get stuck at the TOP of a hill with an EV.. >> >> On 11/30/2019 07:34 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >> > There is no instance where simple increase in speed will take you from >> > 50 miles range to 8 in a gas vehicle. Even heavy braking and hard >> > acceleration. Maybe an 8 mile burn out would consume 50 miles worth of >> > fuel, but then that's not a simple increase in speed. >> > >> > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 9:22 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com >> > <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Matt, >> > >> > I don't believe you've ever actually given any attention to your gas >> > vehicle while driving it. Look at your mpg during normal driving >> > with no load and temps about 65. Then check mpg when it's below 30, >> > then again when you have a trailer attached, then again by >> > pretending you're in a police chase and accelerating heavily. >> > >> > Your mpg will change at nearly equal percentage to electric >> vehicles. >> > >> > Don't knock it until you try it. I've got 35,000 miles on my Tesla >> > so far and made it through a Minnesota winter already and just going >> > into our second winter. I've learned a lot but at the end of the >> > day, I've never ran out of juice and my car is no less efficient >> > than a gas car in the same driving conditions. >> > >> > You've obviously never heard of all the police chases where their >> > gas vehicles run out of gas during a chase either. It happens all >> > the time actually, it just doesn't make the news because it's not a >> > Tesla. I've talked with state troopers and our sheriff's department >> > and they all have stories of cars running out of gas during >> > highspeed chases because they're putting way more load on their >> cars. >> > >> > So instead of being a hater just because you can, why don't you >> > schedule a test drive of a Tesla or other EV's and you can learn >> > something. I'll say it again, EV's today work for 99% of drivers in >> > the US. In another 2 years with more charging infrastructure, >> > they'll work for 100% of drivers all the time and there will be zero >> > chance of running out of juice. >> > >> > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 9:06 AM Matt Hoppes >> > <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >> > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote: >> > >> > That’s a fan boy answer. Yes it is the cars fault. The car said >> > 50 miles of range. Which then dropped to 8 because electric >> > motors aren’t efficient at high speeds. >> > >> > On Nov 30, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Darin Steffl >> > <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> >> wrote: >> > >> >> For that police chase article, the department actually updated >> >> and said the car wasn't fully charged the night before from >> >> the officer who used it last. He forgot to plug it in so the >> >> car never started the shift with a full charge. Not the Teslas >> >> fault. >> >> >> >> >> https://electrek.co/2019/09/25/tesla-police-cruiser-runs-out-battery-chase-user-error/ >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:43 AM Darin Steffl >> >> <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Matt, >> >> >> >> You said gas is the same no matter what. That's totally >> >> false. Mpg gets worse in every gad vehicle with cold temps >> >> and higher loads as well. >> >> >> >> In the cold, I've always lost 4 to 8 mpg in my truck or >> >> Honda accord in the winter. With the snowmobile trailer >> >> pulling behind our chevy, we get about 10mpg compared to >> >> our 19mpg without it. >> >> >> >> I'm not sure why you would say gas vehicles are immune to >> >> the same things that affect battery range. >> >> >> >> Anyway, plugging in every night pretty much handles 99% of >> >> most peoples daily miles. I can day our work vans >> >> definitely don't drive more than the 300 to 500 mile range >> >> the truck will have. My model 3 is 310 miles with normal >> >> weather and in the winter, about 250 miles which always >> >> takes care of my daily drive. Roadtrips have superchargers >> >> all over except in north Dakota. It's on their to do list. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:22 AM Matt Hoppes >> >> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >> >> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Thanks for bringing that up, Chuck. >> >> >> >> This is exactly what scares me about electric vehicles >> >> and an electric >> >> truck: >> >> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/us/tesla-police-car-chase.html >> >> >> >> “We think it started the pursuit with about 50 miles >> >> left on the charge, >> >> but when cars accelerate at speeds such as the >> >> situation, going over 110 >> >> miles per hour, the car charge starts to drain down >> >> faster,” Ms. Bosques >> >> said. >> >> >> >> The officer had "50 miles" left on the charge, but as >> >> soon as he started >> >> the chase the range dropped to 8 miles and he had to >> >> call off the chase. >> >> >> >> Imagine having your truck say you have 100 miles to >> >> go, and you start up >> >> a steep mountain incline to get to a tower site and >> >> suddenly get >> >> stranded because it dropped to 10 miles of range from >> >> the load of >> >> pulling up the hill. >> >> >> >> Gas - I always know what I have and in general it's >> >> the same no matter what. >> >> Electric - Huge variations depending on temperature >> >> and usage. >> >> >> >> On 11/30/19 8:56 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> > Depends on distance. My car is always charged. So >> >> I always have 200 miles on the tank. At the end of a >> >> full day of driving yes it needs to be charged. Local >> >> police departments are making Teslas work. Just takes >> >> a different mindset. 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