I used all the same arguments against electric vehicles that some of the people here are bringing up before I had one... Then I figured, what the heck, it's worth trying, and bought one... most of that stuff simply isn't a big deal, in reality.
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 3:09 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > In my mind, this argument is similar to not wearing a seatbelt because you > might get trapped in a burning vehicle. Technically true, but the > advantages far outweigh the disadvantages in my opinion. > > *From:* Matt Hoppes > *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2019 4:05 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck > > I haven’t. But I have run out of gas maybe two or three times in my life > for one reason or another. > > Very easy for someone to bring me a 5 gallon jug of go juice and I’m off > for 150 miles. > > On Nov 30, 2019, at 3:59 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > AAA generators are level 2 and some level 3. > > Level 2 40 amp 240 chargers can add 30 miles of driving range in an hour. > > But how many times have you called AAA because you ran out of gas? > Never, because you manage it. Electrics just take a different kind of > managing it. > I have never run out of charge except for the time I did it on purpose. > > > *From:* Matt Hoppes > *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2019 3:40 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck > > Right. But a standard 120volt 20amp outlet like found on many generators > will only charge at 5 miles per hour. > > On Nov 30, 2019, at 3:19 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Totally depends on the current of the charger. If you are charging at 400 > amps it does not take long to fill the batts. > > *From:* Matt Hoppes > *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2019 11:56 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck > > You being a generator and charge at the astounding rate of 5 miles per > hour. > > So let’s say you’re 30 miles from town. That’s 6 hours you’ll need to wait > with the generator running. > > On Nov 30, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > What do you do when an EV runs out of charge in the middle of nowhere? > Let’s say you call someone, what do they bring? Can you charge it from a > typical portable generator? If you call a tow service, do they have fast > chargers on their trucks? > > > > Not making a point, just asking. Maybe there is a simple answer. I don’t > drive an EV so I don’t know. > > > > Chuck with his Leaf could put it in limp mode and try to make it to a > charging station, or a hybrid could run on gas. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:35 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck > > > > There is no instance where simple increase in speed will take you from 50 > miles range to 8 in a gas vehicle. Even heavy braking and hard > acceleration. Maybe an 8 mile burn out would consume 50 miles worth of > fuel, but then that's not a simple increase in speed. > > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 9:22 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote: > > Matt, > > > > I don't believe you've ever actually given any attention to your gas > vehicle while driving it. Look at your mpg during normal driving with no > load and temps about 65. Then check mpg when it's below 30, then again when > you have a trailer attached, then again by pretending you're in a police > chase and accelerating heavily. > > > > Your mpg will change at nearly equal percentage to electric vehicles. > > > > Don't knock it until you try it. I've got 35,000 miles on my Tesla so far > and made it through a Minnesota winter already and just going into our > second winter. I've learned a lot but at the end of the day, I've never ran > out of juice and my car is no less efficient than a gas car in the same > driving conditions. > > > > You've obviously never heard of all the police chases where their gas > vehicles run out of gas during a chase either. It happens all the time > actually, it just doesn't make the news because it's not a Tesla. I've > talked with state troopers and our sheriff's department and they all have > stories of cars running out of gas during highspeed chases because they're > putting way more load on their cars. > > > > So instead of being a hater just because you can, why don't you schedule a > test drive of a Tesla or other EV's and you can learn something. I'll say > it again, EV's today work for 99% of drivers in the US. In another 2 years > with more charging infrastructure, they'll work for 100% of drivers all the > time and there will be zero chance of running out of juice. > > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 9:06 AM Matt Hoppes < > mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > > That’s a fan boy answer. Yes it is the cars fault. The car said 50 miles > of range. Which then dropped to 8 because electric motors aren’t efficient > at high speeds. > > > On Nov 30, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: > > For that police chase article, the department actually updated and said > the car wasn't fully charged the night before from the officer who used it > last. He forgot to plug it in so the car never started the shift with a > full charge. Not the Teslas fault. > > > > > https://electrek.co/2019/09/25/tesla-police-cruiser-runs-out-battery-chase-user-error/ > > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:43 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote: > > Matt, > > > > You said gas is the same no matter what. That's totally false. Mpg gets > worse in every gad vehicle with cold temps and higher loads as well. > > > > In the cold, I've always lost 4 to 8 mpg in my truck or Honda accord in > the winter. With the snowmobile trailer pulling behind our chevy, we get > about 10mpg compared to our 19mpg without it. > > > > I'm not sure why you would say gas vehicles are immune to the same things > that affect battery range. > > > > Anyway, plugging in every night pretty much handles 99% of most peoples > daily miles. I can day our work vans definitely don't drive more than the > 300 to 500 mile range the truck will have. My model 3 is 310 miles with > normal weather and in the winter, about 250 miles which always takes care > of my daily drive. Roadtrips have superchargers all over except in north > Dakota. It's on their to do list. > > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:22 AM Matt Hoppes < > mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > > Thanks for bringing that up, Chuck. > > This is exactly what scares me about electric vehicles and an electric > truck: > https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/us/tesla-police-car-chase.html > > “We think it started the pursuit with about 50 miles left on the charge, > but when cars accelerate at speeds such as the situation, going over 110 > miles per hour, the car charge starts to drain down faster,” Ms. Bosques > said. > > The officer had "50 miles" left on the charge, but as soon as he started > the chase the range dropped to 8 miles and he had to call off the chase. > > Imagine having your truck say you have 100 miles to go, and you start up > a steep mountain incline to get to a tower site and suddenly get > stranded because it dropped to 10 miles of range from the load of > pulling up the hill. > > Gas - I always know what I have and in general it's the same no matter > what. > Electric - Huge variations depending on temperature and usage. > > On 11/30/19 8:56 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Depends on distance. My car is always charged. So I always have 200 > miles on the tank. At the end of a full day of driving yes it needs to be > charged. Local police departments are making Teslas work. Just takes a > different mindset. 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