Yep, and anyone not operating in cbrs without SAS gets big dollar reminders to stop
On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 3:59 PM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Josh, > > You will have interference protection through the SAS so that someone just > can't blindly fire up right on top of your channel right next to you. Every > AP has to get a grant from SAS before it can transmit. Also if Demand says > 15 there is no way to tell if that is 15 individual bidders or if 4-5 > bidders are trying to bid on 4x10mhz channels each. We will know when the > auction is over more info but while the auction is taking place everything > is a secret. > > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 4:09 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: > >> Well if you do licensed PTP links it seems you don't get any kind of >> interference protection if someone else doesn't play by the rules and they >> don't get any punishment for doing so... >> >> If you think CBRS will give you interference free protection I'd love to >> know you do because I don't feel that's going to be a game changer for >> hitting customers. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 3:42 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> drinking! They be purchased after the auction? >>> Divided over 10 years, it's a manageable number for interference free >>> spectrum. What do you pay per year in interference related truck rolls, >>> tech time and list satisfaction? >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 12:06 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Obviously the last round is public knowledge. After the auction is >>>> over, are the results of all rounds public information? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> >>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 28, 2020 11:11:20 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far >>>> >>>> Correct - no way to tell who is bidding. The complete list of bidders >>>> is public knowledge: >>>> https://www.fcc.gov/document/auction-105-35-ghz-qualified-bidders >>>> >>>> Which counties those 271 bidders are bidding on is only known by the FCC >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I assume the 14 or 15 bidders is a closely guarded secret? I can't >>>> begin to think who would be able to pay 30k around here for that besides >>>> Verizon/AT&T/Sprint... >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 11:37 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Note that the confidentiality and anti collusion rules apply for >>>>> anyone who filed the short form. Be very careful that what you say in >>>>> here does not violate the FCC rules. >>>>> >>>>> Everything discussed so far is from the public information the FCC is >>>>> releasing or from the auction public notice. >>>>> >>>>> To read the results Josh posted: >>>>> >>>>> The price does not include discounts - 75% of the posted price if you >>>>> qualified as being under 25M/year in revenue - so closer to 27k There >>>>> is >>>>> also a rural provider credit. >>>>> >>>>> It reads: >>>>> >>>>> In the initial round the price of one 10Mhz PAL was $21,000 not >>>>> counting any discounts you may have been eligible for. There were 14 bids >>>>> at that price, with only 7 lots available. >>>>> In the second round the price of one PAL was $24,000 (less >>>>> discounts). There were 15 bids at that price, with only 7 available. >>>>> >>>>> In the 5th round the price for one PAL went up to $33,000 (less >>>>> discounts) with demand down to 10 PAL’s. The price went up for ALL 7 of >>>>> the PAL’s. >>>>> >>>>> The price will keep going up until the demand is equal to 7. Once >>>>> demand gets to 7 there is still a posted price increase - but unless >>>>> someone adds additional demand the price will stay at the previous start >>>>> of >>>>> round price. >>>>> >>>>> The price/demand could sit at 7 for the next (insert number) of rounds >>>>> and then start going back up if another bidder decides they are priced out >>>>> of one county and want to move to another county. Or if they are just >>>>> playing games. >>>>> >>>>> Once a county is at or above a demand for 7 PAL’s the price won’t go >>>>> down. If you get a PAL in a round and later decide you don’t want it, >>>>> you are stuck buying it unless someone else bids at the higher price. >>>>> You >>>>> can change your demand to 0, saying you don’t want it anymore, but unless >>>>> someone else wants it you are stuck with it. Just like a normal auction >>>>> - >>>>> once you are the winning bidder, you own it unless someone outbids you. >>>>> >>>>> For bidders there are required activity levels that you have to meet. >>>>> Essentially you have to bid 95% of your initial deposit on each round. >>>>> If >>>>> you don’t bid that what you are allowed to bid in the next round goes >>>>> down. >>>>> The rule is basically to keep bidders from sandbagging - if you haven’t >>>>> been bidding and are just waiting to see what others are going to do you >>>>> will run out of eligibility pretty quickly. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It’s up to 37k per 10mhz block. Demand is going down though! lol >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:22, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No idea how to read this: >>>>> >>>>> <image.png> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:20 AM Kurt Fankhauser < >>>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Josh, >>>>>> >>>>>> Is your county up to 30k per 10mhz block? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:08 AM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Assuming it's too late at this point to get into the initial rounds >>>>>>> that are taking place this week? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Haven't really been keeping up with this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 9:54 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I also lost track of the whole auction situation. Will there be >>>>>>>> another round later? Seems like nobody bid on some of the counties >>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>> us, and I wish I'd thrown in a minimum bid at this point. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7/28/2020 12:40 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Our starting bid was relatively inexpensive over the ten year term >>>>>>>> for our 5 counties and 4 pals each. Almost had the boss talked into >>>>>>>> giving >>>>>>>> it serious consideration so i could pull the trigger on the auction. >>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>> the world ended and that got back burnered. byt the time we came back >>>>>>>> to it >>>>>>>> there was no time to learn enough about the auction >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:54 PM Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My guess is none... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Im sooo sick of the BS games the FCC and 'BIG BOYZ' Are playing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So funny how they say "Sure anyone can get a pal" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> FCC should have shoved a big FU to all WISPs and just let us die. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When I first saw the pricing on our county and surrounding countys >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> bid I knew there was no chance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let the lawsuits FLY... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7/27/2020 5:51 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: >>>>>>>>> > On 7/27/20 15:42, Mark Radabaugh wrote: >>>>>>>>> >> https://auctiondata.fcc.gov/public/projects/auction105 >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > I'm curious to see how many WISPs actually get a PAL when this >>>>>>>>> is all >>>>>>>>> > done. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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