How does the SASI sure there will be no interference? Since you can run so many different standards and settings?
> On Jul 28, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yep, and anyone not operating in cbrs without SAS gets big dollar reminders > to stop > >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 3:59 PM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> Josh, >> >> You will have interference protection through the SAS so that someone just >> can't blindly fire up right on top of your channel right next to you. Every >> AP has to get a grant from SAS before it can transmit. Also if Demand says >> 15 there is no way to tell if that is 15 individual bidders or if 4-5 >> bidders are trying to bid on 4x10mhz channels each. We will know when the >> auction is over more info but while the auction is taking place everything >> is a secret. >> >> >>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 4:09 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>> wrote: >>> Well if you do licensed PTP links it seems you don't get any kind of >>> interference protection if someone else doesn't play by the rules and they >>> don't get any punishment for doing so... >>> >>> If you think CBRS will give you interference free protection I'd love to >>> know you do because I don't feel that's going to be a game changer for >>> hitting customers. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 3:42 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> drinking! They be purchased after the auction? >>>> Divided over 10 years, it's a manageable number for interference free >>>> spectrum. What do you pay per year in interference related truck rolls, >>>> tech time and list satisfaction? >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 12:06 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>> Obviously the last round is public knowledge. After the auction is over, >>>>> are the results of all rounds public information? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>> >>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> >>>>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 11:11:20 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far >>>>> >>>>> Correct - no way to tell who is bidding. The complete list of bidders >>>>> is public knowledge: >>>>> https://www.fcc.gov/document/auction-105-35-ghz-qualified-bidders >>>>> >>>>> Which counties those 271 bidders are bidding on is only known by the FCC >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I assume the 14 or 15 bidders is a closely guarded secret? I can't begin >>>>> to think who would be able to pay 30k around here for that besides >>>>> Verizon/AT&T/Sprint... >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 11:37 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: >>>>>> Note that the confidentiality and anti collusion rules apply for anyone >>>>>> who filed the short form. Be very careful that what you say in here >>>>>> does not violate the FCC rules. >>>>>> >>>>>> Everything discussed so far is from the public information the FCC is >>>>>> releasing or from the auction public notice. >>>>>> >>>>>> To read the results Josh posted: >>>>>> >>>>>> The price does not include discounts - 75% of the posted price if you >>>>>> qualified as being under 25M/year in revenue - so closer to 27k There >>>>>> is also a rural provider credit. >>>>>> >>>>>> It reads: >>>>>> >>>>>> In the initial round the price of one 10Mhz PAL was $21,000 not counting >>>>>> any discounts you may have been eligible for. There were 14 bids at >>>>>> that price, with only 7 lots available. >>>>>> In the second round the price of one PAL was $24,000 (less discounts). >>>>>> There were 15 bids at that price, with only 7 available. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the 5th round the price for one PAL went up to $33,000 (less >>>>>> discounts) with demand down to 10 PAL’s. The price went up for ALL 7 >>>>>> of the PAL’s. >>>>>> >>>>>> The price will keep going up until the demand is equal to 7. Once >>>>>> demand gets to 7 there is still a posted price increase - but unless >>>>>> someone adds additional demand the price will stay at the previous start >>>>>> of round price. >>>>>> >>>>>> The price/demand could sit at 7 for the next (insert number) of rounds >>>>>> and then start going back up if another bidder decides they are priced >>>>>> out of one county and want to move to another county. Or if they are >>>>>> just playing games. >>>>>> >>>>>> Once a county is at or above a demand for 7 PAL’s the price won’t go >>>>>> down. If you get a PAL in a round and later decide you don’t want it, >>>>>> you are stuck buying it unless someone else bids at the higher price. >>>>>> You can change your demand to 0, saying you don’t want it anymore, but >>>>>> unless someone else wants it you are stuck with it. Just like a normal >>>>>> auction - once you are the winning bidder, you own it unless someone >>>>>> outbids you. >>>>>> >>>>>> For bidders there are required activity levels that you have to meet. >>>>>> Essentially you have to bid 95% of your initial deposit on each round. >>>>>> If you don’t bid that what you are allowed to bid in the next round goes >>>>>> down. The rule is basically to keep bidders from sandbagging - if you >>>>>> haven’t been bidding and are just waiting to see what others are going >>>>>> to do you will run out of eligibility pretty quickly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It’s up to 37k per 10mhz block. Demand is going down though! lol >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:22, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No idea how to read this: >>>>>> >>>>>> <image.png> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:20 AM Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>> <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Josh, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is your county up to 30k per 10mhz block? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:08 AM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Assuming it's too late at this point to get into the initial rounds >>>>>>>> that are taking place this week? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Haven't really been keeping up with this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 9:54 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I also lost track of the whole auction situation. Will there be >>>>>>>>> another round later? Seems like nobody bid on some of the counties >>>>>>>>> around us, and I wish I'd thrown in a minimum bid at this point. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2020 12:40 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>>>>>> Our starting bid was relatively inexpensive over the ten year term >>>>>>>>> for our 5 counties and 4 pals each. Almost had the boss talked into >>>>>>>>> giving it serious consideration so i could pull the trigger on the >>>>>>>>> auction. then the world ended and that got back burnered. byt the >>>>>>>>> time we came back to it there was no time to learn enough about the >>>>>>>>> auction >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:54 PM Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> My guess is none... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Im sooo sick of the BS games the FCC and 'BIG BOYZ' Are playing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So funny how they say "Sure anyone can get a pal" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> FCC should have shoved a big FU to all WISPs and just let us die. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When I first saw the pricing on our county and surrounding countys >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> bid I knew there was no chance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let the lawsuits FLY... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7/27/2020 5:51 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > On 7/27/20 15:42, Mark Radabaugh wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >> https://auctiondata.fcc.gov/public/projects/auction105 >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > I'm curious to see how many WISPs actually get a PAL when this is >>>>>>>>>> > all >>>>>>>>>> > done. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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