“Internet access”.  If I am strictly a layer 2 pipe providing transport - only 
then I am not a provider of internet.  If someone coincidentally connects it to 
layer 3 things... well then that is outside of my control.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 1:41 PM
To: Chuck McCown 
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

>Facilities-based providers of fixed and mobile broadband internet access who 
>have one or more end user connections in service on June 30, 2022

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:35 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:

  But what types of business does it apply to?  I am sure that I can find a 
loophole.  Like I deliver virtual ice cream via ethernet so it should not apply 
to me.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 12:47 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

  Ethernet/GPON doesn't matter.  It's copper versus optical delivery. :)

  On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 11:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

    I wonder if I can get away with being an ethernet service provider with 
free access to the internet thrown in...

    From: Josh Luthman 
    Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 8:33 AM
    To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

    WISPA is absolutely fighting this.  We absolutely did not want this.  
There's way more opposition than WISPA has resources, but we still did get some 
wins.

    On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 11:12 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

      I'm sure wispa is out there looking out for us 
      That is sarcasm 
      Wispa isnt what itwas when it lived in this neighborhood
      I feel we all need to watch brokeback mountain to prepare what's coming

      On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 6:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

        Perhaps.  I am sure there will be things filed about this.  

        From: Brian Webster 
        Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 4:46 PM
        To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
        Cc: 'Chuck McCown' 
        Subject: RE: [AFMUG] BDC

        Keep in mind that is a temp fix and only good for the next 18 months. 
Then the full PE cert is required.



        Thank you,

        Brian Webster

        www.wirelessmapping.com



        From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via 
AF
        Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:10 PM
        To: af@af.afmug.com
        Cc: Chuck McCown
        Subject: [AFMUG] BDC



        Starting to look into what I have to do.

        Just read the certification requirements.  This is the language of the 
alternate, non PE, non degreed engineer certifier:

        (ii) specialized training relevant to broadband network engineering and 
design, deployment, and/or performance, and at least ten years of relevant 
experience in broadband network engineering, design, and/or performance.



        I am guessing everyone on this list fits this set of qualifications.  

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