Yes, but your solution is equivalent to my annual net profit as I am such a new 
and small company.  I am complaining to the FCC penury.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 3:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

We have a solution for filing  with PE certification at 
www.regulatorysolutions.us if you need assistance. 

Cameron

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 4:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

  Not a new version but a whole new other report in addition to 477 I think.


  Sent from my iPhone


    On Jul 21, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:


     
    I haven't been reading up on this, is this the new form 477 replacement 
with increased requirements?

    On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 2:51 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

      “Internet access”.  If I am strictly a layer 2 pipe providing transport - 
only then I am not a provider of internet.  If someone coincidentally connects 
it to layer 3 things... well then that is outside of my control.  

      From: Josh Luthman 
      Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 1:41 PM
      To: Chuck McCown 
      Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

      >Facilities-based providers of fixed and mobile broadband internet access 
who have one or more end user connections in service on June 30, 2022

      On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:35 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:

        But what types of business does it apply to?  I am sure that I can find 
a loophole.  Like I deliver virtual ice cream via ethernet so it should not 
apply to me.  

        From: Josh Luthman 
        Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 12:47 PM
        To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
        Cc: Chuck McCown 
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

        Ethernet/GPON doesn't matter.  It's copper versus optical delivery. :)

        On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 11:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> 
wrote:

          I wonder if I can get away with being an ethernet service provider 
with free access to the internet thrown in...

          From: Josh Luthman 
          Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 8:33 AM
          To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
          Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

          WISPA is absolutely fighting this.  We absolutely did not want this.  
There's way more opposition than WISPA has resources, but we still did get some 
wins.

          On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 11:12 PM Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

            I'm sure wispa is out there looking out for us 
            That is sarcasm 
            Wispa isnt what itwas when it lived in this neighborhood
            I feel we all need to watch brokeback mountain to prepare what's 
coming

            On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 6:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> 
wrote:

              Perhaps.  I am sure there will be things filed about this.  

              From: Brian Webster 
              Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 4:46 PM
              To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
              Cc: 'Chuck McCown' 
              Subject: RE: [AFMUG] BDC

              Keep in mind that is a temp fix and only good for the next 18 
months. Then the full PE cert is required.



              Thank you,

              Brian Webster

              www.wirelessmapping.com



              From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
McCown via AF
              Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:10 PM
              To: af@af.afmug.com
              Cc: Chuck McCown
              Subject: [AFMUG] BDC



              Starting to look into what I have to do.

              Just read the certification requirements.  This is the language 
of the alternate, non PE, non degreed engineer certifier:

              (ii) specialized training relevant to broadband network 
engineering and design, deployment, and/or performance, and at least ten years 
of relevant experience in broadband network engineering, design, and/or 
performance.



              I am guessing everyone on this list fits this set of 
qualifications.  

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