Yeah, it's a stupid requirement s most EE PEs don't know jack about wireless and probably less about fiber. I happen to know a couple guys who bothered to get their PE, but I know I never did simply because there wasn't even a test for what I do. They want you to take the power systems and control systems exam if you are an RF guy. IT really is dumb and I think they are just trying to weed out the smaller guys who will be forced into a financial hardship.
On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 4:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > The waiver should be made permanent. The quality of the data will not > suffer. > > *From:* Cameron Crum > *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 3:47 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC > > Understood. We can work with very small providers. We aren't trying to put > anyone out of business. We do have some fixed costs like the PE unless you > want to self certify. I believe you qualify, or will at least for the > waiver on the next 3 filings. > > Cameron > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 4:36 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: > >> Yes, but your solution is equivalent to my annual net profit as I am such >> a new and small company. I am complaining to the FCC penury. >> >> *From:* Cameron Crum >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 3:23 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC >> >> We have a solution for filing with PE certification at >> www.regulatorysolutions.us if you need assistance. >> >> Cameron >> >> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 4:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Not a new version but a whole new other report in addition to 477 I >>> think. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jul 21, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie < >>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I haven't been reading up on this, is this the new form 477 replacement >>> with increased requirements? >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 2:51 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> “Internet access”. If I am strictly a layer 2 pipe providing transport >>>> - only then I am not a provider of internet. If someone coincidentally >>>> connects it to layer 3 things... well then that is outside of my control. >>>> >>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 1:41 PM >>>> *To:* Chuck McCown >>>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC >>>> >>>> >Facilities-based providers of fixed and mobile broadband internet >>>> access who have one or more end user connections in service on June 30, >>>> 2022 >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:35 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> But what types of business does it apply to? I am sure that I can >>>>> find a loophole. Like I deliver virtual ice cream via ethernet so it >>>>> should not apply to me. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 12:47 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC >>>>> >>>>> Ethernet/GPON doesn't matter. It's copper versus optical delivery. :) >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 11:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I wonder if I can get away with being an ethernet service provider >>>>>> with free access to the internet thrown in... >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 8:33 AM >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC >>>>>> >>>>>> WISPA is absolutely fighting this. We absolutely did not want this. >>>>>> There's way more opposition than WISPA has resources, but we still did >>>>>> get >>>>>> some wins. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 11:12 PM Steve Jones < >>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm sure wispa is out there looking out for us >>>>>>> That is sarcasm >>>>>>> Wispa isnt what itwas when it lived in this neighborhood >>>>>>> I feel we all need to watch brokeback mountain to prepare what's >>>>>>> coming >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 6:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps. I am sure there will be things filed about this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Brian Webster >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2022 4:46 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>>>>>>> *Cc:* 'Chuck McCown' >>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] BDC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Keep in mind that is a temp fix and only good for the next 18 >>>>>>>> months. Then the full PE cert is required. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Brian Webster >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> www.wirelessmapping.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck >>>>>>>> McCown via AF >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:10 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BDC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Starting to look into what I have to do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just read the certification requirements. 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