Not a new version but a whole new other report in addition to 477 I think.

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> On Jul 21, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I haven't been reading up on this, is this the new form 477 replacement with 
> increased requirements?
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 2:51 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
>> “Internet access”.  If I am strictly a layer 2 pipe providing transport - 
>> only then I am not a provider of internet.  If someone coincidentally 
>> connects it to layer 3 things... well then that is outside of my control. 
>>  
>> From: Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 1:41 PM
>> To: Chuck McCown
>> Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC
>>  
>> >Facilities-based providers of fixed and mobile broadband internet access 
>> >who have one or more end user connections in service on June 30, 2022
>>  
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:35 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
>>> But what types of business does it apply to?  I am sure that I can find a 
>>> loophole.  Like I deliver virtual ice cream via ethernet so it should not 
>>> apply to me. 
>>>  
>>> From: Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 12:47 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Cc: Chuck McCown
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC
>>>  
>>> Ethernet/GPON doesn't matter.  It's copper versus optical delivery. :)
>>>  
>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 11:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> I wonder if I can get away with being an ethernet service provider with 
>>>> free access to the internet thrown in...
>>>>  
>>>> From: Josh Luthman
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 8:33 AM
>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC
>>>>  
>>>> WISPA is absolutely fighting this.  We absolutely did not want this.  
>>>> There's way more opposition than WISPA has resources, but we still did get 
>>>> some wins.
>>>>  
>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 11:12 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I'm sure wispa is out there looking out for us
>>>>> That is sarcasm
>>>>> Wispa isnt what itwas when it lived in this neighborhood
>>>>> I feel we all need to watch brokeback mountain to prepare what's coming
>>>>>  
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 6:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Perhaps.  I am sure there will be things filed about this. 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> From: Brian Webster
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 4:46 PM
>>>>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>>>> Cc: 'Chuck McCown'
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [AFMUG] BDC
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Keep in mind that is a temp fix and only good for the next 18 months. 
>>>>>> Then the full PE cert is required.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Brian Webster
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via 
>>>>>> AF
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:10 PM
>>>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>> Cc: Chuck McCown
>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] BDC
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Starting to look into what I have to do.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just read the certification requirements.  This is the language of the 
>>>>>> alternate, non PE, non degreed engineer certifier:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (ii) specialized training relevant to broadband network engineering and 
>>>>>> design, deployment, and/or performance, and at least ten years of 
>>>>>> relevant experience in broadband network engineering, design, and/or 
>>>>>> performance.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am guessing everyone on this list fits this set of qualifications. 
>>>>>> 
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