IP20C HP. Get a new FCC license :) You'll have another polarity to use later or 
in another direction.

Jon

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> On Jan 16, 2015, at 4:48 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
> 
> What is my least expensive option for getting  more bandwidth in 6ghz or 
> 11ghz ? Right now I have 366mbps (56mhz 256qam) would like double or better?
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Jon Langeler <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> 
>> wrote:
>> compression yields a lot at 64byte packet, but yields much less at 256byte 
>> and larger...it's a curve. 
>> 
>> Also if your upgrading a long 5GHz link with 6Ghz, you'll probably be 
>> slightly better off even if the calcs say 'low uptime'. 11GHz will 'swing' 
>> during rains more than 6GHz obviously so the higher gain from the same size 
>> dishes helps there. Licensing a wide single polarity is always cheapest...
>> 
>> -Jon
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That sounds backwards.  Why would smaller packets net you greater 
>>> throughput?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> It's really 60.  Ours does 1.4Gbps, 700Mbps full duplex (if every packet 
>>>> was a VoIP packet)...500Mbps FDX is a more realistic real-world TCP 
>>>> throughput that you can expect.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:
>>>>> It’s really 60!
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 60 MHz
>>>>> 
>>>>> CH
>>>>> 
>>>>> N(
>>>>> 
>>>>> G(
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1
>>>>> 
>>>>> 5960.0250
>>>>> 
>>>>> 6212.0650
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2
>>>>> 
>>>>> 6019.3250
>>>>> 
>>>>> 6271.3650
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3
>>>>> 
>>>>> 6078.6250
>>>>> 
>>>>> 6330.6650
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4
>>>>> 
>>>>> 6137.9250
>>>>> 
>>>>> 6389.9650
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> As far as XPIC on 30 MHz vs. 60 MHz it all depends on the environment.  
>>>>> If x-pol is needed to clear a channel, it isn’t going to be available on 
>>>>> the orthogonal polarization.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:59 PM
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> In 6 GHz, is 60 really 60, or is it 30+30 contiguous?
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m thinking it might be easier to do XPIC on the same 30 MHz channel 
>>>>> than to find 60 MHz of available spectrum, but I haven’t done anything in 
>>>>> 6 GHz, mainly because of antenna size.  Yes the FCC did relax the antenna 
>>>>> rules to allow down to a 3 ft dish, but realistically that won’t give you 
>>>>> enough gain unless it’s a short link, especially given that 6 GHz is 
>>>>> subject to multipath fades.  So bottom line I haven’t kept up with what 
>>>>> you can do in 6 GHz, so I could easily be wrong or behind the times.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Mike Hammett
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:24 PM
>>>>> 
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 30 MHz in the 7 GHz band, 30 MHz in some 6 GHz, 60 MHz in the rest of 6 
>>>>> GHz...  IIRC.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:18:19 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would first talk to your frequency coordinator about what FCC channel 
>>>>> widths can be licensed in what bands.  I’m not sure 40 MHz channels exist 
>>>>> in 6 GHz, and I believe you’ll find an 80 MHz channel width means you 
>>>>> need to license 2 adjacent channels.  There is no benefit to having a 
>>>>> radio that does 80 MHz channels if that’s not what you license, other 
>>>>> than maybe having consistent equipment across your network to simplify 
>>>>> sparing.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: TJ Trout
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:05 PM
>>>>> 
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 11ghz integra doesn't exist, and when it does in april it's just 60mhz! 
>>>>> Should I even be considering a 60mhz radio? Seems like 80 is the way to 
>>>>> go?
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 11 ghz integra
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>>> 
>>>>> President
>>>>> 
>>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>>> 
>>>>> www.aeronetpr.com  
>>>>> 
>>>>> @aeronetpr
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>>> Date: Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:57 PM
>>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I guess what I'm interested in is what is the cheapest 6 or 11ghz 80mhz 
>>>>> radio in terms of bits/hz or should I just use the lumina in 2+0?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 16, 2015 10:54 AM, "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So I have a lumina on 11ghz 56mhz that I need to upgrade, what is the 
>>>>> most economical option for more capacity ? Saf doesn't really have much 
>>>>> besides 2+0 right now (maybe that's my best option?) So I was thinking 
>>>>> about trying another brand something with maybe 80mhz channels ? What are 
>>>>> my options that won't cost an arm and a leg ?
>>>>> 
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