That's how LTE works, though I don't know exactly how. ICIC and eICIC have something to do with it. Same frequency everywhere.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)" <geo...@cbcast.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:55:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Esplain, Lucy. Because obviously this is not FDD. So how could you use the same carrier frequency on every sector on a three sector / 360 coverage site? Does the inter-cell interference coordination have a role here? On 3/3/2015 11:06 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Not that I understand. I doubt we'll see much of that though in 3.65. I expect the norm to be re-use of 2. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Is there a throughput penalty for that re-use? On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: Re-use of 1 is possible. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Is there frequency re-use with a 3 BTS setup? If there is re-use, what's the penalty? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 3x 65s for 360* coverage. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. From: "Jason McKemie" < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 9:07:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Is there a 90 degree sector or are you using 65 degree sectors in a 4 BTS cluster? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: Only 2 models, the 3.65 (actually 3.4-3.7) COMPACT 1000 or the 2.x (2.3 and 2.5) COMPACT 3000. I included the 3.65 version. The 2.5 is all the same, save for the BTS price, which is about $5k higher (but 40 dBm per port and 43 pounds of brute power, compared to the 18 pound COMPACT 1000) Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Which base station are you quoting, and what are the basic differences between the models? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: Think of all the EPC options (and there are 3 forms) as shells: 1 is an shell embedded as a piece of software inside EACH BTS...a total one box solution (we can do that since we are a SDR). 1 is a shell that's a small (1/2U) appliance supporting up to 10k subs and 2 gigs. These are stackable and with our NPV option is infinitely stackable. Into each shell option you plug in ONLY the functionality you need: Connecting to an external Radius? Buy that module. Don't need to? Don't get it. If not above, then doing MAC level authentication instead? Buy the iHSSS module. PCRF module. Doing service flows and dedicated bearers? Get that. Don't, then don't. Need Layer 2, get that. Don't? Dont. These modules are in price relative to the version of EPC (baby, momma or papa bear size). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Never mind, I see that now. How much is the 50 user license? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: Is the 50 user limit just a guideline or a software limitation? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: One BTS, included embedded EPC with MAC level authentication (cheapest option) supporting up to 50 clients. Antenna could be swapped for any other. NOTE: this exclude any NMS pieces, but you could just connect over Telnet or direct connect. This would be the BAREST of bones, but there it is. That's still LTE and about 100 Mbps with killer NLOS. Includes: 735270 CMP.XT-BS-3.4-3.7 1 715773 LTE COMPACT SW License 1 700258 BMAX-4M-GPS 1 300736 ANT 3.3-3.8GHz,18 dBi, 65deg, 4ports (RF cables NOT included) 1 715620 BreezeWay-1010-50 (per Compact HW license) 1 715621 BreezeWay-1010-iHSS-50 (50 subs. license) 1 SLA 1 Year SLA 1 Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback No, could be much less. Give me a minute... Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback Probably 20k to start. Quality over quantity. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 3, 2015 8:56 PM, "John Woodfield" < john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz > wrote: Patrick, I haven't had time to read through all this emails. Can you summarize what the lowest cost get up and running on a tower is so I can consider this further along with cost per sub? Thanks, John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -----Original Message----- From: "Patrick Leary" < patrick.le...@telrad.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 8:41pm To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback Alvarion did that. I admit, I'm not a fan of capping Glen. It is a gimmick. The hardware is what it is, and this hardware is expensive. 30dBm per port. 4 tx/4rx. Power is expensive. The highest quality DSPs on the market. not consumer grade stuff with the sensitivity of your in home Wi-Fi router. We build our own phy from the ground up too, our own ATPC algorithms too. On the software, we do that though -- enabling modularity and scale as you need to. I think I need to do a dedicated webinar to this community to walk you guys (or those inclined) through it (any takers?). I do not think we can be a solution that makes sense where you only have 15 clients. That's the blunt truth. Unless you are doing 50 Mbps customers, I am not your micropop (but I can do that in some modest scale). That said, I wonder where that 15 number comes from? Can you please explain on what architecture that is based? Range? Height? Etc. If it is based on a micropop and even then on what just that pop can see, I'd say that's likely a model invented out of necessity due to the poor performance of the system you are using. I had a guy on a call today. He zoomed me in on Google Earth to his "NLOS" area. Farmland with wind breaks and shade trees for the homes. He is at 400' and can't connect squat behind those breaks. In my world, that's LOS all the way, even at 150 ft. It is total garbage that so many systems to can't deal with that and you've all been fed that that is "normal." It is not. It is just gear with terrible specs where the only R&D is at the software level, and even that is scant. ....You do not have NLOS problems. You have equipment problems. How such a product ever was allowed to go to market as a "solution" for rural broadband is, to me, cynical and reflective of playing a market to skim opportunistic dollars from a market segment that sometimes seems to embrace abuse. Sort of like the poor 700 MHz owners who got sucked in to buying 20 year old Marconi WipLL repackaged as a 700 MHz "solution" because all there was to buy. Then vendors do that crap and THEN, THEN tell you there's no backward compatibility when they come out with something new? WISPs. Sometimes you guys drive me nuts. You are like cheerleaders that love to date the quarterbacks who abuse you. That is like selling a car that falls apart once you leave residential streets. None of you should ever have accepted these golf carts to run your fleets. Sometimes, cheap is just cheap. Boy, I'm gonna hear it from my vendor peers, but this ain't a game or just a job for me. I damn sure hope it ain't that for you either. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback Sort of off topic, but what would be the smallest AP we could get? I'm thinking about using this system on a few of my towers to make sure we never leave without a new customer, but I serve a very rural area. I have some towers with 15 clients. Is an omni + GPS sync or narrow channel out of the question? <blockquote> ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Leary To: tel...@wispa.org ; af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 4:42 PM Subject: [AFMUG] New feedback This is an interesting bit of commentary from one of our new customers. If he wishes to identify himself, he will.... Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 From: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:31 AM To: Patrick Leary; Nick Dewar Subject: Interesting Statistic " Patrick / Nick – Our Director of Operations, which you both met in St Louis, sent out an interesting email to our staff this evening. In February with only 20 working days we completed 40 installs with one technician ... This is only icing on the cake, especially since we are onboarding two more techs. .. I ran some additional numbers and found that out of the “Telrad” installations that we scheduled, 100 % were successful both of these months. This is a game changer, and it proves that we can eliminate the need to waste further time with the dreaded site surveys. Our success is not without the help of Telrad’s Compact solution. Truly amazing and inspiring, excited for our aggressive expansion this spring/summer/fall. I cannot wait to have hundreds of these damn things in the air. Excited and thankful to be a part of the LTE Beta, and am thankful for the “Holy Grail” email that introduced us to the product. ... 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