I don't know where you are getting your pricing for calix Josh but we are paying nowhere near what you are stating here.
We buy the gigacenters for $149 and the cloud platform is $150/mo for 500 users. We charge $99 "setup fee" to our clients and $12/mo. for our "managed wifi" service. ROI is ~4months/client. So the first 13 clients pay for the cloud platform for the other 487. Sean On Friday, January 1, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > I have a very modest home if you don't count the barn and unfinished > basement. Around 1860sqrft. 5GHz barely works through one plaster or > sheetrock wall in my home. > > I'm "desiring" a solution where we can have the customer name and account > number in the admin panel, then drill down and manage their gpon router, > and the multiple wireless APs on their account. Flow export is okay, but > procera does a far better job than calix in that regard (data monitoring > for customer troubleshooting). > > Hopefully this comes to fruition without costing us $7+ /sub/month like > calix does. > On Jan 1, 2016 5:42 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@kwisp.com');>> wrote: > >> Interesting they refer to 2.4 GHz as for “legacy devices”. I suspect >> that 5 GHz in the large homes of the likely target market will need more >> than 1 access point to cover the entire house, despite the best MIMO and >> beamforming technology. Especially the way some customers resist locating >> the router at the center of the house because “I don’t want to look at >> wires”. >> >> Really, new houses should be designed and wired with probably 10 gigabit >> Internet in mind, assuming you won’t want to rip the walls open in 10 or 20 >> years to rewire. If rooms are designed with places for “network boxes” and >> fiber or Cat6/7 cable back to a hub point, the electronics can be upgraded >> as technology evolves. >> >> >> *From:* Chuck McCown <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> >> *Sent:* Friday, January 01, 2016 4:50 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >> >> https://www.calix.com/systems/gigafamily-overview/GigaCenters.html >> >> *From:* Sterling Jacobson >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sterl...@avative.net');> >> *Sent:* Friday, January 01, 2016 3:36 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >> >> >> Ok, do you have a link to information then? >> >> >> >> I’m not familiar with Calix for this particular solution, though I’ve >> heard of them. >> >> >> >> Also, I’m lazy J >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] *On Behalf Of *Sean >> Heskett >> *Sent:* Friday, January 1, 2016 3:25 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >> >> >> >> $149 >> >> On Friday, January 1, 2016, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sterl...@avative.net');>> wrote: >> >> For $200? >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On >> Behalf Of *Sean Heskett >> *Sent:* Friday, January 1, 2016 2:24 PM >> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >> >> >> >> Calix can do all that and a whole lot more sterling >> >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, January 1, 2016, Sterling Jacobson < >> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sterl...@avative.net');> wrote: >> >> I hear you. >> >> My new year's goal is to find a better solution for my customers. >> >> Unfortunately, at 100-1000Mbps, the pickings are still slim. >> >> I would like to use MikroTik and manage the routing, but I'm finding that >> it's still best to get a really nice $100-$300+ single Wireless AC router >> and place it in the center of the house. >> >> What I would really like is a good split solution with routing in the >> head/basement, and wireless AC in bridge mode in one or two places in the >> house. >> >> But that doesn't seem to exist. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] On Behalf Of Ken >> Hohhof >> Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 10:30 AM >> To: af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >> >> I'm seeing a gradual increase in customers leasing a managed Mikrotik >> from us, we charge $5/mo for a RB951G-2HnD which has been very trouble free >> for us once we tweak a couple WiFi parameters. I think they look at the >> pile of discarded routers in their closet and decide to let someone else >> deal with it. Most still fall into either the "I can buy one at Walmart >> for $50" camp or the "I like going to Best Buy and letting the sales guy >> talk me into the >> $250 router because I like shopping for expensive toys" camp. And people >> still look at the humble little white Mikrotik in its plain brown box and >> think it can't possibly match their big black AC1900 router that looks like >> a weapon from Star Wars. >> >> The question I guess is whether to join the cable/telco crowd and supply >> the WiFi router and manage it for no additional revenue, and then what to >> do about the people who still want to put their own Star Wars router behind >> it. >> >> It is very disappointing that since Belkin bought Linksys they are now >> designing their own Linksys branded routers that are far worse than the >> Linksys designed E series which certainly had their own problems. I >> replaced a customer's Belksys AC1900 router with a Mikrotik this week and >> they went from having total dead spots in parts of their house on both 2.4 >> and 5 GHz to having full bars and great performance everywhere including >> the basement. Their minds were boggled at this little white box with no >> external antennas blowing away the big black monster. >> >> Of the household brands, Netgear doesn't seem all that bad, except their >> low end WNR2000 has a really high failure rate. I see people starting to >> trend toward less known brands like Asus and TP-Link. But too many of my >> customers think the electronics store is "Walmart" and they seem to come >> back with these Belkin pieces of crap, I particularly hate the model that >> only has 1 LED on the whole router and you have to interpret the color and >> number of flashes, it's like figuring out what R2D2 is saying. What's that >> R2? No link on port 3? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Simon Westlake >> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 11:04 AM >> To: af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >> >> I've honestly given up completely on all residential routers, they seem >> to be slowly converging on a common denominator which is that none of them >> work properly and only last a few months. I had to replace my router >> recently, and just got a Mikrotik instead. One of the guys I work with just >> replaced his old Linksys with a Mikrotik, and all of his minor problems >> went away. >> >> I used to think that it was a bad idea to provide managed routers to end >> users, but I'm slowly changing my mind after realizing how many issues are >> caused by them. There's also a lot you could do to provide better service >> to an end user, hypothetically.. let's say you put in a DD-WRT or Mikrotik >> router and setup some shaping on the client side with SFQ. >> They'd probably see a lot less issues with their Netflix buffering when >> their Xbox was downloading a game, or their VoIP cutting out when they're >> watching Daredevil in 4K. >> >> On 1/1/2016 10:05 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> > I had a bad dream where all my customers go to Walmart and buy Belkin >> > routers. I tried to wake up but I wasn't dreaming. >> Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! >> > >> >> -- >> Simon Westlake >> Skype: Simon_Sonar >> Email: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','simon@sonar.software'); >> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >> --------------------------- >> Sonar Software Inc >> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software >> >>
