Wait, are these the gpon gigacenters, 802.11AC, beamforming? On Jan 1, 2016 9:31 PM, "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
> I don't know where you are getting your pricing for calix Josh but we are > paying nowhere near what you are stating here. > > We buy the gigacenters for $149 and the cloud platform is $150/mo for 500 > users. > > We charge $99 "setup fee" to our clients and $12/mo. for our "managed > wifi" service. ROI is ~4months/client. > > So the first 13 clients pay for the cloud platform for the other 487. > > Sean > > > On Friday, January 1, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > >> I have a very modest home if you don't count the barn and unfinished >> basement. Around 1860sqrft. 5GHz barely works through one plaster or >> sheetrock wall in my home. >> >> I'm "desiring" a solution where we can have the customer name and account >> number in the admin panel, then drill down and manage their gpon router, >> and the multiple wireless APs on their account. Flow export is okay, but >> procera does a far better job than calix in that regard (data monitoring >> for customer troubleshooting). >> >> Hopefully this comes to fruition without costing us $7+ /sub/month like >> calix does. >> On Jan 1, 2016 5:42 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >>> Interesting they refer to 2.4 GHz as for “legacy devices”. I suspect >>> that 5 GHz in the large homes of the likely target market will need more >>> than 1 access point to cover the entire house, despite the best MIMO and >>> beamforming technology. Especially the way some customers resist locating >>> the router at the center of the house because “I don’t want to look at >>> wires”. >>> >>> Really, new houses should be designed and wired with probably 10 gigabit >>> Internet in mind, assuming you won’t want to rip the walls open in 10 or 20 >>> years to rewire. If rooms are designed with places for “network boxes” and >>> fiber or Cat6/7 cable back to a hub point, the electronics can be upgraded >>> as technology evolves. >>> >>> >>> *From:* Chuck McCown >>> *Sent:* Friday, January 01, 2016 4:50 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>> >>> https://www.calix.com/systems/gigafamily-overview/GigaCenters.html >>> >>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson >>> *Sent:* Friday, January 01, 2016 3:36 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>> >>> >>> Ok, do you have a link to information then? >>> >>> >>> >>> I’m not familiar with Calix for this particular solution, though I’ve >>> heard of them. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also, I’m lazy J >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett >>> *Sent:* Friday, January 1, 2016 3:25 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>> >>> >>> >>> $149 >>> >>> On Friday, January 1, 2016, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> For $200? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] >>> *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett >>> *Sent:* Friday, January 1, 2016 2:24 PM >>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>> >>> >>> >>> Calix can do all that and a whole lot more sterling >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, January 1, 2016, Sterling Jacobson < >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sterl...@avative.net');> wrote: >>> >>> I hear you. >>> >>> My new year's goal is to find a better solution for my customers. >>> >>> Unfortunately, at 100-1000Mbps, the pickings are still slim. >>> >>> I would like to use MikroTik and manage the routing, but I'm finding >>> that it's still best to get a really nice $100-$300+ single Wireless AC >>> router and place it in the center of the house. >>> >>> What I would really like is a good split solution with routing in the >>> head/basement, and wireless AC in bridge mode in one or two places in the >>> house. >>> >>> But that doesn't seem to exist. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof >>> Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 10:30 AM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>> >>> I'm seeing a gradual increase in customers leasing a managed Mikrotik >>> from us, we charge $5/mo for a RB951G-2HnD which has been very trouble free >>> for us once we tweak a couple WiFi parameters. I think they look at the >>> pile of discarded routers in their closet and decide to let someone else >>> deal with it. Most still fall into either the "I can buy one at Walmart >>> for $50" camp or the "I like going to Best Buy and letting the sales guy >>> talk me into the >>> $250 router because I like shopping for expensive toys" camp. And >>> people still look at the humble little white Mikrotik in its plain brown >>> box and think it can't possibly match their big black AC1900 router that >>> looks like a weapon from Star Wars. >>> >>> The question I guess is whether to join the cable/telco crowd and supply >>> the WiFi router and manage it for no additional revenue, and then what to >>> do about the people who still want to put their own Star Wars router behind >>> it. >>> >>> It is very disappointing that since Belkin bought Linksys they are now >>> designing their own Linksys branded routers that are far worse than the >>> Linksys designed E series which certainly had their own problems. I >>> replaced a customer's Belksys AC1900 router with a Mikrotik this week and >>> they went from having total dead spots in parts of their house on both 2.4 >>> and 5 GHz to having full bars and great performance everywhere including >>> the basement. Their minds were boggled at this little white box with no >>> external antennas blowing away the big black monster. >>> >>> Of the household brands, Netgear doesn't seem all that bad, except their >>> low end WNR2000 has a really high failure rate. I see people starting to >>> trend toward less known brands like Asus and TP-Link. But too many of my >>> customers think the electronics store is "Walmart" and they seem to come >>> back with these Belkin pieces of crap, I particularly hate the model that >>> only has 1 LED on the whole router and you have to interpret the color and >>> number of flashes, it's like figuring out what R2D2 is saying. What's that >>> R2? No link on port 3? >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Simon Westlake >>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 11:04 AM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>> >>> I've honestly given up completely on all residential routers, they seem >>> to be slowly converging on a common denominator which is that none of them >>> work properly and only last a few months. I had to replace my router >>> recently, and just got a Mikrotik instead. One of the guys I work with just >>> replaced his old Linksys with a Mikrotik, and all of his minor problems >>> went away. >>> >>> I used to think that it was a bad idea to provide managed routers to end >>> users, but I'm slowly changing my mind after realizing how many issues are >>> caused by them. There's also a lot you could do to provide better service >>> to an end user, hypothetically.. let's say you put in a DD-WRT or Mikrotik >>> router and setup some shaping on the client side with SFQ. >>> They'd probably see a lot less issues with their Netflix buffering when >>> their Xbox was downloading a game, or their VoIP cutting out when they're >>> watching Daredevil in 4K. >>> >>> On 1/1/2016 10:05 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> > I had a bad dream where all my customers go to Walmart and buy Belkin >>> > routers. I tried to wake up but I wasn't dreaming. >>> Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> Simon Westlake >>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>> Email: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','simon@sonar.software'); >>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >>> --------------------------- >>> Sonar Software Inc >>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software >>> >>>
