Interesting. I'm curious why our price on the gpon version is $244/ea then. On Jan 1, 2016 10:41 PM, "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
> It's the 844E copper Ethernet version. > > > On Friday, January 1, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > >> Wait, are these the gpon gigacenters, 802.11AC, beamforming? >> On Jan 1, 2016 9:31 PM, "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >> >>> I don't know where you are getting your pricing for calix Josh but we >>> are paying nowhere near what you are stating here. >>> >>> We buy the gigacenters for $149 and the cloud platform is $150/mo for >>> 500 users. >>> >>> We charge $99 "setup fee" to our clients and $12/mo. for our "managed >>> wifi" service. ROI is ~4months/client. >>> >>> So the first 13 clients pay for the cloud platform for the other 487. >>> >>> Sean >>> >>> >>> On Friday, January 1, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have a very modest home if you don't count the barn and unfinished >>>> basement. Around 1860sqrft. 5GHz barely works through one plaster or >>>> sheetrock wall in my home. >>>> >>>> I'm "desiring" a solution where we can have the customer name and >>>> account number in the admin panel, then drill down and manage their gpon >>>> router, and the multiple wireless APs on their account. Flow export is >>>> okay, but procera does a far better job than calix in that regard (data >>>> monitoring for customer troubleshooting). >>>> >>>> Hopefully this comes to fruition without costing us $7+ /sub/month like >>>> calix does. >>>> On Jan 1, 2016 5:42 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Interesting they refer to 2.4 GHz as for “legacy devices”. I suspect >>>>> that 5 GHz in the large homes of the likely target market will need more >>>>> than 1 access point to cover the entire house, despite the best MIMO and >>>>> beamforming technology. Especially the way some customers resist locating >>>>> the router at the center of the house because “I don’t want to look at >>>>> wires”. >>>>> >>>>> Really, new houses should be designed and wired with probably 10 >>>>> gigabit Internet in mind, assuming you won’t want to rip the walls open in >>>>> 10 or 20 years to rewire. If rooms are designed with places for “network >>>>> boxes” and fiber or Cat6/7 cable back to a hub point, the electronics can >>>>> be upgraded as technology evolves. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Chuck McCown >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 01, 2016 4:50 PM >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>>>> >>>>> https://www.calix.com/systems/gigafamily-overview/GigaCenters.html >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 01, 2016 3:36 PM >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ok, do you have a link to information then? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I’m not familiar with Calix for this particular solution, though I’ve >>>>> heard of them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Also, I’m lazy J >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 1, 2016 3:25 PM >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> $149 >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, January 1, 2016, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> For $200? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto: >>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *Sean >>>>> Heskett >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 1, 2016 2:24 PM >>>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Calix can do all that and a whole lot more sterling >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, January 1, 2016, Sterling Jacobson < >>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sterl...@avative.net');> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I hear you. >>>>> >>>>> My new year's goal is to find a better solution for my customers. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately, at 100-1000Mbps, the pickings are still slim. >>>>> >>>>> I would like to use MikroTik and manage the routing, but I'm finding >>>>> that it's still best to get a really nice $100-$300+ single Wireless AC >>>>> router and place it in the center of the house. >>>>> >>>>> What I would really like is a good split solution with routing in the >>>>> head/basement, and wireless AC in bridge mode in one or two places in the >>>>> house. >>>>> >>>>> But that doesn't seem to exist. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 10:30 AM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>>>> >>>>> I'm seeing a gradual increase in customers leasing a managed Mikrotik >>>>> from us, we charge $5/mo for a RB951G-2HnD which has been very trouble >>>>> free >>>>> for us once we tweak a couple WiFi parameters. I think they look at the >>>>> pile of discarded routers in their closet and decide to let someone else >>>>> deal with it. Most still fall into either the "I can buy one at Walmart >>>>> for $50" camp or the "I like going to Best Buy and letting the sales guy >>>>> talk me into the >>>>> $250 router because I like shopping for expensive toys" camp. And >>>>> people still look at the humble little white Mikrotik in its plain brown >>>>> box and think it can't possibly match their big black AC1900 router that >>>>> looks like a weapon from Star Wars. >>>>> >>>>> The question I guess is whether to join the cable/telco crowd and >>>>> supply the WiFi router and manage it for no additional revenue, and then >>>>> what to do about the people who still want to put their own Star Wars >>>>> router behind it. >>>>> >>>>> It is very disappointing that since Belkin bought Linksys they are now >>>>> designing their own Linksys branded routers that are far worse than the >>>>> Linksys designed E series which certainly had their own problems. I >>>>> replaced a customer's Belksys AC1900 router with a Mikrotik this week and >>>>> they went from having total dead spots in parts of their house on both 2.4 >>>>> and 5 GHz to having full bars and great performance everywhere including >>>>> the basement. Their minds were boggled at this little white box with no >>>>> external antennas blowing away the big black monster. >>>>> >>>>> Of the household brands, Netgear doesn't seem all that bad, except >>>>> their low end WNR2000 has a really high failure rate. I see people >>>>> starting to trend toward less known brands like Asus and TP-Link. But too >>>>> many of my customers think the electronics store is "Walmart" and they >>>>> seem >>>>> to come back with these Belkin pieces of crap, I particularly hate the >>>>> model that only has 1 LED on the whole router and you have to interpret >>>>> the >>>>> color and number of flashes, it's like figuring out what R2D2 is saying. >>>>> What's that R2? No link on port 3? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Simon Westlake >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 11:04 AM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream >>>>> >>>>> I've honestly given up completely on all residential routers, they >>>>> seem to be slowly converging on a common denominator which is that none of >>>>> them work properly and only last a few months. I had to replace my router >>>>> recently, and just got a Mikrotik instead. One of the guys I work with >>>>> just >>>>> replaced his old Linksys with a Mikrotik, and all of his minor problems >>>>> went away. >>>>> >>>>> I used to think that it was a bad idea to provide managed routers to >>>>> end users, but I'm slowly changing my mind after realizing how many issues >>>>> are caused by them. There's also a lot you could do to provide better >>>>> service to an end user, hypothetically.. let's say you put in a DD-WRT or >>>>> Mikrotik router and setup some shaping on the client side with SFQ. >>>>> They'd probably see a lot less issues with their Netflix buffering >>>>> when their Xbox was downloading a game, or their VoIP cutting out when >>>>> they're watching Daredevil in 4K. >>>>> >>>>> On 1/1/2016 10:05 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>> > I had a bad dream where all my customers go to Walmart and buy Belkin >>>>> > routers. I tried to wake up but I wasn't dreaming. >>>>> Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Simon Westlake >>>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>>>> Email: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','simon@sonar.software'); >>>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >>>>> --------------------------- >>>>> Sonar Software Inc >>>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software >>>>> >>>>>
