SFP circuitry is cheaper than going native copper.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 11:46:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream SFP circuitry etc From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 11:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream Interesting. I'm curious why our price on the gpon version is $244/ea then. On Jan 1, 2016 10:41 PM, "Sean Heskett" < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: It's the 844E copper Ethernet version. On Friday, January 1, 2016, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: <blockquote> Wait, are these the gpon gigacenters, 802.11AC, beamforming? On Jan 1, 2016 9:31 PM, "Sean Heskett" < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: <blockquote> I don't know where you are getting your pricing for calix Josh but we are paying nowhere near what you are stating here. We buy the gigacenters for $149 and the cloud platform is $150/mo for 500 users. We charge $99 "setup fee" to our clients and $12/mo. for our "managed wifi" service. ROI is ~4months/client. So the first 13 clients pay for the cloud platform for the other 487. Sean On Friday, January 1, 2016, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: <blockquote> I have a very modest home if you don't count the barn and unfinished basement. Around 1860sqrft. 5GHz barely works through one plaster or sheetrock wall in my home. I'm "desiring" a solution where we can have the customer name and account number in the admin panel, then drill down and manage their gpon router, and the multiple wireless APs on their account. Flow export is okay, but procera does a far better job than calix in that regard (data monitoring for customer troubleshooting). Hopefully this comes to fruition without costing us $7+ /sub/month like calix does. On Jan 1, 2016 5:42 PM, "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: <blockquote> Interesting they refer to 2.4 GHz as for “legacy devices”. I suspect that 5 GHz in the large homes of the likely target market will need more than 1 access point to cover the entire house, despite the best MIMO and beamforming technology. Especially the way some customers resist locating the router at the center of the house because “I don’t want to look at wires”. Really, new houses should be designed and wired with probably 10 gigabit Internet in mind, assuming you won’t want to rip the walls open in 10 or 20 years to rewire. If rooms are designed with places for “network boxes” and fiber or Cat6/7 cable back to a hub point, the electronics can be upgraded as technology evolves. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 4:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream https://www.calix.com/systems/gigafamily-overview/GigaCenters.html From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 3:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream Ok, do you have a link to information then? I’m not familiar with Calix for this particular solution, though I’ve heard of them. Also, I’m lazy J From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 3:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream $149 On Friday, January 1, 2016, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net > wrote: <blockquote> For $200? From: Af [mailto: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com'); ] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 2:24 PM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream Calix can do all that and a whole lot more sterling On Friday, January 1, 2016, Sterling Jacobson < javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sterl...@avative.net'); > wrote: <blockquote> I hear you. My new year's goal is to find a better solution for my customers. Unfortunately, at 100-1000Mbps, the pickings are still slim. I would like to use MikroTik and manage the routing, but I'm finding that it's still best to get a really nice $100-$300+ single Wireless AC router and place it in the center of the house. What I would really like is a good split solution with routing in the head/basement, and wireless AC in bridge mode in one or two places in the house. But that doesn't seem to exist. -----Original Message----- From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 10:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream I'm seeing a gradual increase in customers leasing a managed Mikrotik from us, we charge $5/mo for a RB951G-2HnD which has been very trouble free for us once we tweak a couple WiFi parameters. I think they look at the pile of discarded routers in their closet and decide to let someone else deal with it. Most still fall into either the "I can buy one at Walmart for $50" camp or the "I like going to Best Buy and letting the sales guy talk me into the $250 router because I like shopping for expensive toys" camp. And people still look at the humble little white Mikrotik in its plain brown box and think it can't possibly match their big black AC1900 router that looks like a weapon from Star Wars. The question I guess is whether to join the cable/telco crowd and supply the WiFi router and manage it for no additional revenue, and then what to do about the people who still want to put their own Star Wars router behind it. It is very disappointing that since Belkin bought Linksys they are now designing their own Linksys branded routers that are far worse than the Linksys designed E series which certainly had their own problems. I replaced a customer's Belksys AC1900 router with a Mikrotik this week and they went from having total dead spots in parts of their house on both 2.4 and 5 GHz to having full bars and great performance everywhere including the basement. Their minds were boggled at this little white box with no external antennas blowing away the big black monster. Of the household brands, Netgear doesn't seem all that bad, except their low end WNR2000 has a really high failure rate. I see people starting to trend toward less known brands like Asus and TP-Link. But too many of my customers think the electronics store is "Walmart" and they seem to come back with these Belkin pieces of crap, I particularly hate the model that only has 1 LED on the whole router and you have to interpret the color and number of flashes, it's like figuring out what R2D2 is saying. What's that R2? No link on port 3? -----Original Message----- From: Simon Westlake Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 11:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bad dream I've honestly given up completely on all residential routers, they seem to be slowly converging on a common denominator which is that none of them work properly and only last a few months. I had to replace my router recently, and just got a Mikrotik instead. One of the guys I work with just replaced his old Linksys with a Mikrotik, and all of his minor problems went away. I used to think that it was a bad idea to provide managed routers to end users, but I'm slowly changing my mind after realizing how many issues are caused by them. There's also a lot you could do to provide better service to an end user, hypothetically.. let's say you put in a DD-WRT or Mikrotik router and setup some shaping on the client side with SFQ. They'd probably see a lot less issues with their Netflix buffering when their Xbox was downloading a game, or their VoIP cutting out when they're watching Daredevil in 4K. On 1/1/2016 10:05 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > I had a bad dream where all my customers go to Walmart and buy Belkin > routers. I tried to wake up but I wasn't dreaming. 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