Ehhhh depends on the number of strands. Increasing per ft cost DOES hurt. On Jan 17, 2016 10:59 AM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
> Fiber itself is cheap, most of the cost is getting the fiber in the > ground, on poles, etc. Also, active has a pretty good reach, you may not > need hardware in the middle depending on your setup. > > On Sunday, January 17, 2016, Kevin Radunz <gol...@genevaonline.com> wrote: > >> Yes, I agree. >> The big reason for looking at GPON in my case is saving fibers out to the >> country and not needing remote hardware in the middle. If I can use 2 >> strands to feed a subdivision that is 2 miles away, instead of using >> 24/48/or 96 strands, I can more than double/triple the fiber footprint >> for the same cost and not have costly switches/optics in remote >> enclosures. If I was only running to MDUs active would be great. The >> whole reason I started looking at GPON was that guys here on the lists >> have said the GPON hardware is no more costly than the active equipment. >> If that's true GPON would save a ton on the fiber plant side of things. >> >> >> > That's fully retarded... The great thing about doing active-ethernet >> vs. >> > any form of GPON or EPON is the much larger set of available equipment. >> > Not >> > everything you can use for active-E as necessarily designed or marketed >> > for >> > residential services, and that's a good thing. >> > >> > GPON and EPON equipment vendors still seem like they only want to sell >> to >> > huge carriers that will commit themselves to getting married to a >> platform >> > for ten years, and buy a ton of it, not caring that it's proprietary. >> > Yeah.... >> > >> > Stuff like 48-port 1000BaseT blades for routers you can install in MDUs >> > and >> > 24/48-port SFP switches are used in all kinds of places. >> > >> > On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 6:26 AM, Kevin Radunz <gol...@genevaonline.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> They may be cheap but I inquired and they won't just give you pricing >> so >> >> I >> >> don't know. >> >> They have to "Customize" a complete solution for you. >> >> Typical big boy sales crap with an immediate NDA before they will talk >> >> with you. >> >> It completely turned me off on using Alphion. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Ballpark on cheap? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ----- >> >> > Mike Hammett >> >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> > http://www.ics-il.com >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> > http://www.midwest-ix.com >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > >> >> > From: "Gerard Dupont III" <ger...@shelbybb.com> >> >> > To: af@afmug.com >> >> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:41:01 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F >> >> > >> >> > They're cheap and have good support. No random issues like other >> >> vendors >> >> > we've tried. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather use calix or one of the >> >> big >> >> > names, but I can't make the numbers work for the small wireless fed >> >> > residential builds we keep doing. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > No they don't have a path to NG-PON2 that I'm aware of. I'm not >> >> worried >> >> > about that right now though since we are wirelessly feeding all of >> the >> >> > neighborhoods. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > What's so great about them over other vendors? Also, do they have a >> >> path >> >> > to NG-PON2? >> >> > On Jan 15, 2016 9:09 PM, "Gerard Dupont III" < ger...@shelbybb.com > >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > <blockquote> >> >> > We're doing Alphion now. We also have Dasan and ZTE systems in place. >> >> Plan >> >> > on migrating them to Alphion sometime this year though. >> >> > >> >> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, Sterling Jacobson < >> sterl...@avative.net >> >> > >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > <blockquote> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > What are you using for GPON now? >> >> > >> >> > I’m starting to use some of the higher density 48 port Planet >> >> switches >> >> > in active. >> >> > >> >> > From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gerard Dupont >> >> III >> >> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:55 PM >> >> > To: af@afmug.com >> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F >> >> > >> >> > We have a few of those in place for a couple years now in non climate >> >> > controlled cabinets. This will be the third winter. We're just using >> >> cheap >> >> > chinese bidi optics. Some from fiberstore. Customer sides are mostly >> >> > MikroTik 2011 or rb260gs. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Had some minor issues early on but they were fixed in later l >> >> firmware. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > I can't remember the last time I had to touch them. They've been >> >> solid. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > We've moved to gpon for any new builds or I'd probably still be >> >> installing >> >> > them. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Gerard >> >> > >> >> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, George Skorup < geo...@cbcast.com > >> >> wrote: >> >> > <blockquote> >> >> > >> >> > Derp, I forgot. What do you have on the other end of the ports? >> >> > Routerboards with bidi SFPs? We're not sure what we're going to do on >> >> the >> >> > CPE end yet. It's a multi party venture and those guys haven't made >> up >> >> > their minds yet, other than each premise will have a pair and they >> >> want >> >> > active ethernet. I mentioned GPON and was told no. So then I said why >> >> not >> >> > do bidi and basically heard crickets. So whatever, I'm just in charge >> >> of >> >> > designing the core network inside their box of requirements. >> >> > >> >> > On 1/15/2016 8:12 PM, George Skorup wrote: >> >> > <blockquote> >> >> > >> >> > Excellent. Thanks. >> >> > >> >> > On 1/15/2016 8:05 PM, Craig Baird wrote: >> >> > <blockquote> >> >> > >> >> > We have this exact switch in service right now with Fiberstore BiDis. >> >> It's >> >> > never given us any trouble. >> >> > >> >> > Craig >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Quoting George Skorup < geo...@cbcast.com >: >> >> > <blockquote> >> >> > >> >> > I'm working on a fiber project and was wondering if anyone else has >> >> used >> >> > this Planet switch? >> >> > http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=48441 >> >> > >> >> > Is Planet picky about SFP modules? I was planing on ordering some >> >> cheap >> >> > single mode modules from Fiber Store to use with this and get the >> >> project >> >> > rolling. Such as: >> >> > >> >> >> http://www.fs.com/1-25-gbps-gige-1000base-lx-lh-1310nm-20km-dom-industrial-temp-lc-smf-sfp-transceiver-p-37258.html >> >> > >> >> > Already ordered the switch, so we'll see what happens. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > </blockquote> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > </blockquote> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > </blockquote> >> >> > >> >> > </blockquote> >> >> > >> >> > </blockquote> >> >> > >> >> > </blockquote> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>
