FWIW on these IgniteNet 60GHz, the mounts are horrendous. We got a couple of pairs and my installers are saying they’re worse than a nano bridge mount.. For the stability one would need to keep these locked on during a breeze, we were expecting a much heavier duty mount.
Chuck, another product idea for ya :) -c > On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > I thought that was Trump’s plan to eliminate the national debt in 8 years! > > Or a new reality TV show: Naked and Unshod. > > > From: Faisal Imtiaz <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:31 PM > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? > > I often tell my wife.... > > If the women of the world stopped buying shoes and clothes for 3 months, > there will be a total world wide economic collapse ! > > > :) > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > >> From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> >> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 3:58:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? > >> Ha >> On Apr 4, 2016 1:53 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com >> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>> I told my wife this morning that I am going to have to find a rehab center >>> for an Amazon addict. >>> >>> From: Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 1:47 PM >>> To: Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>> >>> My wife always complains that I don't need more tools I respond... when >>> you stop buying shoes, I will stop buying tools...she gives me the death >>> stare. >>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:44 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net >>> <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote: >>>> Chuck, somehow you remind me of my business partner.... who goes looking >>>> for projects, cause they are a perfect opportunity to collect (buy) more >>>> tools... one can never have enough tools ! >>>> >>>> (He is more into power tools, construction, mechanical etc ...) >>>> >>>> :) >>>> >>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>> >>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>> >>>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> >>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 3:36:59 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>> >>>>> I just tested a cable tester from Ideal that qualifies GigE circuits. >>>>> >>>>> Nice thing is, it will do a data test without cable continuity. >>>>> (It also does the actual cable continuity tests too). >>>>> >>>>> I wonder what it would show on a less than 1Gbps radio. $1325 >>>>> >>>>> From: Harold Bledsoe <mailto:hbledso...@gmail.com> >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 1:32 PM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>> >>>>> Sorry to be late to the party. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> I have a few comments on iperf though. Iperf2 is not very reliable at >>>>> high speeds. For high speeds, iperf3 tends to do a little better >>>>> assuming you have enough computer to push the required speeds. However >>>>> iperf3 cannot yet do bi-di tests. >>>>> >>>>> For affordable testing, we've found Mikrotik's traffic generator to be >>>>> pretty good. It's a little complicated to setup the first time but then >>>>> it is better. Beware using btest - it uses a single core and can't keep >>>>> up especially if you try random data. >>>>> >>>>> Then there's RFC testers like Exfo, Smartbits, etc. We use Smartbits. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> -Hal >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:15 AM Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net >>>>> <mailto:s...@genias.net>> wrote: >>>>>> Every new gear is suspicious in regards of holding up to the promises >>>>>> made. >>>>>> >>>>>> We’ve heard so many promises in the past and very often the truth does >>>>>> not meet marketing. >>>>>> >>>>>> So there is nothing aggressive if someone wants to see iperf testing. >>>>>> Seeing is believing. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] Im >>>>>> Auftrag von Ken Hohhof >>>>>> Gesendet: Montag, 4. April 2016 15:08 >>>>>> An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>>>>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> By comparison to the presidential contest, the tone was very mild! Did >>>>>> you see Jimmy Kimmel’s American Girl & Boy Dolls Presidential Collection? >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FYHPr7TL2AY >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FYHPr7TL2AY> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Faisal Imtiaz <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 8:03 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not being defensive about Ignite, as I stated in my email.... I am >>>>>> having a reaction to the tone of your question. If you were to look at >>>>>> my posts you will also see that I have expressed similar feelings to >>>>>> others in regards to how they ask the question... irrespective of who >>>>>> they are asking about. I also apologized for this being a personality >>>>>> defect in myself. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Cut & Paste was not for your benefit, but for others who lurk in the >>>>>> forums. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is nothing wrong with running an iperf test.. but you specifically >>>>>> asked for the test to be run in a very particular way, from very >>>>>> particular pieces of equipment..... >>>>>> >>>>>> My apologies if I am over reacting.... WISP's have many many great >>>>>> attributes, however there is one attribute which would be nice to change >>>>>> for the better.... Our Attitudes towards the mfg. and the default >>>>>> presumption of a 'conspiracy' or 'they are trying to pull a fast one on >>>>>> us'..... along with it also having enough fortitude to asking the MFG >>>>>> and or their representatives the technical questions before coming to >>>>>> the open forums and taking an opinion poll.... >>>>>> >>>>>> ok, I will now get off my soap box. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>> >>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:52:00 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>> >>>>>>> For somebody who doesn't own a piece of the company and doesn't work >>>>>>> there, you're extremely defensive. I don't need a copied and pasted >>>>>>> explanation of what FDD and TDD are. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How in any way whatsoever is it inappropriate to run iperf tests on a >>>>>>> newly released PTP bridge radio? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>>> <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> like I said before.. ask the question directly... no need for the >>>>>>>> cloak and dagger ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----------- >>>>>>>> Frequency-division duplexing (FDD) is a method for establishing a >>>>>>>> full-duplex communications link that uses two different radio >>>>>>>> frequencies for transmitter and receiver operation. The transmit >>>>>>>> direction and receive direction frequencies are separated by a defined >>>>>>>> frequency offset. In the microwave realm, the primary advantages of >>>>>>>> this approach are: >>>>>>>> ----------------- >>>>>>>> NO THEY ARE NOT FDD. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> Time-division duplexing (TDD) is a method for emulating full-duplex >>>>>>>> communication over a half-duplex communication link. The transmitter >>>>>>>> and receiver both use the same frequency but transmit and receive >>>>>>>> traffic is switched in time. The primary advantages of this approach >>>>>>>> as it applies to microwave communication are: >>>>>>>> ------------------ >>>>>>>> YES They are TDD. ( The notation of 1gig aggregate should have give >>>>>>>> this away ! ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Like all new products, they are making improvements with firmware >>>>>>>> updates. The published specs are 'conservative'. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> These are the first radios of their kind in the market place... I >>>>>>>> think you will need to modify your thinking about them, cause you keep >>>>>>>> comparing them to the other existing (much more expensive) radios in >>>>>>>> the market place. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anything else you would like to know ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Feel free to ask...... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BTW, FWIW, I don't work for Ignite, nor do I own a piece of the >>>>>>>> company (would love to buy stock in them if I could). I am on the beta >>>>>>>> testers of the product... There is something about the tone of your >>>>>>>> question that is rubbing me the wrong way, my apologies if I am over >>>>>>>> reacting...... I normally expect the proper professional decorum to >>>>>>>> be.. ask the question directly, and only if that is not answered or if >>>>>>>> the answer is not straight forward then it is ok to imply some >>>>>>>> intentional obfuscation..... not the other way around ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> >>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:14:08 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything, just to compare them >>>>>>>>> with existing line rate 60 GHz FDD solutions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The datasheet says 1Gbps aggregate throughput but nowhere does it say >>>>>>>>> specifically if they're FDD or TDD in the 60 GHz band: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.ignitenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/IgniteNet_MetroLinq.pdf >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.ignitenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/IgniteNet_MetroLinq.pdf> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>>> <fai...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> What exactly are you looking to prove of dis-prove with such a test ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Iperf is iperf, what difference does it make how it is run.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Are you asking the question 'How much data I can push thru with >>>>>>>>>> these radios ?'..... the question has been answered multiple times... >>>>>>>>>> the radios are (as per specs, 1gig half duplex, thus giving you >>>>>>>>>> 500meg x 500meg performance.) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Radio side is using 2ghz wide channel, and the latest firmware >>>>>>>>>> is showing 700meg x 700meg performance.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What is the problem with this ? if you think Ignite is lying about >>>>>>>>>> the specs, buy a pair, do the testing you like, with pink, blue, or >>>>>>>>>> purple laptop of your choice and if you don't like them, send them >>>>>>>>>> back !... or someone will be happy to buy them from you ... they are >>>>>>>>>> in short supply as it is .... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> >>>>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 10:03:39 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Anyone done a simultaneous bidirectional iperf test yet? >>>>>>>>>>> Preferably with something like a Thinkpad (Intel 1000BaseT NIC) >>>>>>>>>>> running Linux plugged into each end. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>
