Try aiming a 500 meter 60 GHz link and then aim a 3km 80 GHz link.... It most certainly does affect ease of aiming for new hires/new technicians when dealing with things way less than 1 degree wide in the sweet spot of best RSL.
On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > But the distance of a link makes no difference in terms of aiming... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On Apr 4, 2016 9:47 PM, "Harold Bledsoe" <hbledso...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> It makes fine tuning longer links easier. >> >> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 9:06 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Why would the distance matter? >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:41 PM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The standard mount is being improved a bit (same cost) as well as an >>>> optional LR upgraded mount for longer distances. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> -Hal >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:49 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> I thought they were releasing a 2nd gen mount? >>>>> On Apr 4, 2016 6:35 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Wasn’t there a post from them saying for a few bucks more there is a >>>>>> better mount? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 6:18 PM >>>>>> >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>> >>>>> FWIW on these IgniteNet 60GHz, the mounts are horrendous. We got a >>>>>> couple of pairs and my installers are saying they’re worse than a nano >>>>>> bridge mount.. For the stability one would need to keep these locked on >>>>>> during a breeze, we were expecting a much heavier duty mount. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Chuck, another product idea for ya :) >>>>>> >>>>>> -c >>>>>> >>>>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I thought that was Trump’s plan to eliminate the national debt in 8 >>>>>> years! >>>>>> >>>>>> Or a new reality TV show: Naked and Unshod. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 5:31 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>> >>>>>> I often tell my wife.... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If the women of the world stopped buying shoes and clothes for 3 >>>>>> months, there will be a total world wide economic collapse ! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>>>> >>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>> <supp...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>>>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> >>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:58:01 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>> >>>>>> Ha >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:53 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I told my wife this morning that I am going to have to find a rehab >>>>>>> center for an Amazon addict. >>>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:47 PM >>>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>> >>>>>> My wife always complains that I don't need more tools I respond... >>>>>>> when you stop buying shoes, I will stop buying tools...she gives me the >>>>>>> death stare. >>>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:44 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> Chuck, somehow you remind me of my business partner.... who goes >>>>>>>> looking for projects, cause they are a perfect opportunity to collect >>>>>>>> (buy) >>>>>>>> more tools... one can never have enough tools ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (He is more into power tools, construction, mechanical etc ...) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net <supp...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:36:59 PM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just tested a cable tester from Ideal that qualifies GigE >>>>>>>> circuits. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nice thing is, it will do a data test without cable continuity. >>>>>>>> (It also does the actual cable continuity tests too). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wonder what it would show on a less than 1Gbps radio. $1325 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:32 PM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry to be late to the party. ;-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a few comments on iperf though. Iperf2 is not very reliable >>>>>>>> at high speeds. For high speeds, iperf3 tends to do a little better >>>>>>>> assuming you have enough computer to push the required speeds. However >>>>>>>> iperf3 cannot yet do bi-di tests. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For affordable testing, we've found Mikrotik's traffic generator to >>>>>>>> be pretty good. It's a little complicated to setup the first time but >>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>> it is better. Beware using btest - it uses a single core and can't >>>>>>>> keep up >>>>>>>> especially if you try random data. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then there's RFC testers like Exfo, Smartbits, etc. We use >>>>>>>> Smartbits. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> -Hal >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:15 AM Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Every new gear is suspicious in regards of holding up to the >>>>>>>>> promises made. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We’ve heard so many promises in the past and very often the truth >>>>>>>>> does not meet marketing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So there is nothing aggressive if someone wants to see iperf >>>>>>>>> testing. Seeing is believing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Ken >>>>>>>>> Hohhof >>>>>>>>> *Gesendet:* Montag, 4. April 2016 15:08 >>>>>>>>> *An:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> By comparison to the presidential contest, the tone was very >>>>>>>>> mild! Did you see Jimmy Kimmel’s American Girl & Boy Dolls >>>>>>>>> Presidential >>>>>>>>> Collection? >>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FYHPr7TL2AY >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 8:03 AM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am not being defensive about Ignite, as I stated in my email.... >>>>>>>>> I am having a reaction to the tone of your question. If you were to >>>>>>>>> look at >>>>>>>>> my posts you will also see that I have expressed similar feelings to >>>>>>>>> others >>>>>>>>> in regards to how they ask the question... irrespective of who they >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> asking about. I also apologized for this being a personality defect >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> myself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Cut & Paste was not for your benefit, but for others who lurk >>>>>>>>> in the forums. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is nothing wrong with running an iperf test.. but you >>>>>>>>> specifically asked for the test to be run in a very particular way, >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> very particular pieces of equipment..... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My apologies if I am over reacting.... WISP's have many many great >>>>>>>>> attributes, however there is one attribute which would be nice to >>>>>>>>> change >>>>>>>>> for the better.... Our Attitudes towards the mfg. and the default >>>>>>>>> presumption of a 'conspiracy' or 'they are trying to pull a fast one >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> us'..... along with it also having enough fortitude to asking the MFG >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> or their representatives the technical questions before coming to the >>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>> forums and taking an opinion poll.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ok, I will now get off my soap box. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:52:00 PM >>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For somebody who doesn't own a piece of the company and doesn't >>>>>>>>> work there, you're extremely defensive. I don't need a copied and >>>>>>>>> pasted >>>>>>>>> explanation of what FDD and TDD are. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How in any way whatsoever is it inappropriate to run iperf tests >>>>>>>>> on a newly released PTP bridge radio? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < >>>>>>>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> like I said before.. ask the question directly... no need for the >>>>>>>>> cloak and dagger ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----------- >>>>>>>>> Frequency-division duplexing (FDD) is a method for establishing a >>>>>>>>> full-duplex communications link that uses two different radio >>>>>>>>> frequencies >>>>>>>>> for transmitter and receiver operation. The transmit direction and >>>>>>>>> receive >>>>>>>>> direction frequencies are separated by a defined frequency offset. In >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> microwave realm, the primary advantages of this approach are: >>>>>>>>> ----------------- >>>>>>>>> NO THEY ARE NOT FDD. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>> Time-division duplexing (TDD) is a method for emulating >>>>>>>>> full-duplex communication over a half-duplex communication link. The >>>>>>>>> transmitter and receiver both use the same frequency but transmit and >>>>>>>>> receive traffic is switched in time. The primary advantages of this >>>>>>>>> approach as it applies to microwave communication are: >>>>>>>>> ------------------ >>>>>>>>> YES They are TDD. ( The notation of 1gig aggregate should have >>>>>>>>> give this away ! ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Like all new products, they are making improvements with firmware >>>>>>>>> updates. The published specs are 'conservative'. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> These are the first radios of their kind in the market place... I >>>>>>>>> think you will need to modify your thinking about them, cause you keep >>>>>>>>> comparing them to the other existing (much more expensive) radios in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> market place. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anything else you would like to know ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Feel free to ask...... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BTW, FWIW, I don't work for Ignite, nor do I own a piece of the >>>>>>>>> company (would love to buy stock in them if I could). I am on the beta >>>>>>>>> testers of the product... There is something about the tone of your >>>>>>>>> question that is rubbing me the wrong way, my apologies if I am over >>>>>>>>> reacting...... I normally expect the proper professional decorum to >>>>>>>>> be.. >>>>>>>>> ask the question directly, and only if that is not answered or if the >>>>>>>>> answer is not straight forward then it is ok to imply some intentional >>>>>>>>> obfuscation..... not the other way around ! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:14:08 PM >>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything, just to compare them >>>>>>>>> with existing line rate 60 GHz FDD solutions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The datasheet says 1Gbps aggregate throughput but nowhere does it >>>>>>>>> say specifically if they're FDD or TDD in the 60 GHz band: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.ignitenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/IgniteNet_MetroLinq.pdf >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < >>>>>>>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What exactly are you looking to prove of dis-prove with such a >>>>>>>>> test ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Iperf is iperf, what difference does it make how it is run.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are you asking the question 'How much data I can push thru with >>>>>>>>> these radios ?'..... the question has been answered multiple times... >>>>>>>>> the radios are (as per specs, 1gig half duplex, thus giving you >>>>>>>>> 500meg x 500meg performance.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Radio side is using 2ghz wide channel, and the latest firmware >>>>>>>>> is showing 700meg x 700meg performance.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What is the problem with this ? if you think Ignite is lying about >>>>>>>>> the specs, buy a pair, do the testing you like, with pink, blue, or >>>>>>>>> purple >>>>>>>>> laptop of your choice and if you don't like them, send them back !... >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> someone will be happy to buy them from you ... they are in short >>>>>>>>> supply as >>>>>>>>> it is .... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 3, 2016 10:03:39 PM >>>>>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyone done a simultaneous bidirectional iperf test yet? >>>>>>>>> Preferably with something like a Thinkpad (Intel 1000BaseT NIC) >>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>> Linux plugged into each end. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
