Aiming 60 and 80 GHz requires perfectly level and plumb mounts....slow movements, and patience. Suklus aligning mount is designed much better than Bridgewaves...I shared pictures with Chucky Baby to he could improve on design for mounts. After all he likes to tinker. On Apr 4, 2016 8:53 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> Apples and oranges. > > Aiming 5 GHz is like aiming 5 GHz. 1 mile or 40. > > Aiming 11 GHz is like aiming 11 GHz. 5 miles or 15. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On Apr 4, 2016 10:51 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Try aiming a 500 meter 60 GHz link and then aim a 3km 80 GHz link.... >> >> It most certainly does affect ease of aiming for new hires/new >> technicians when dealing with things way less than 1 degree wide in the >> sweet spot of best RSL. >> >> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >> > wrote: >> >>> But the distance of a link makes no difference in terms of aiming... >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> On Apr 4, 2016 9:47 PM, "Harold Bledsoe" <hbledso...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> It makes fine tuning longer links easier. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 9:06 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Why would the distance matter? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:41 PM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The standard mount is being improved a bit (same cost) as well as an >>>>>> optional LR upgraded mount for longer distances. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> -Hal >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:49 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> I thought they were releasing a 2nd gen mount? >>>>>>> On Apr 4, 2016 6:35 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wasn’t there a post from them saying for a few bucks more there is >>>>>>>> a better mount? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 6:18 PM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> FWIW on these IgniteNet 60GHz, the mounts are horrendous. We got a >>>>>>>> couple of pairs and my installers are saying they’re worse than a nano >>>>>>>> bridge mount.. For the stability one would need to keep these locked on >>>>>>>> during a breeze, we were expecting a much heavier duty mount. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chuck, another product idea for ya :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -c >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I thought that was Trump’s plan to eliminate the national debt in 8 >>>>>>>> years! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Or a new reality TV show: Naked and Unshod. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 5:31 PM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I often tell my wife.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If the women of the world stopped buying shoes and clothes for 3 >>>>>>>> months, there will be a total world wide economic collapse ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net <supp...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> >>>>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:58:01 PM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ha >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:53 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I told my wife this morning that I am going to have to find a rehab >>>>>>>>> center for an Amazon addict. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:47 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My wife always complains that I don't need more tools I >>>>>>>>> respond... when you stop buying shoes, I will stop buying tools...she >>>>>>>>> gives >>>>>>>>> me the death stare. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:44 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chuck, somehow you remind me of my business partner.... who goes >>>>>>>>>> looking for projects, cause they are a perfect opportunity to >>>>>>>>>> collect (buy) >>>>>>>>>> more tools... one can never have enough tools ! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (He is more into power tools, construction, mechanical etc ...) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net <supp...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:36:59 PM >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I just tested a cable tester from Ideal that qualifies GigE >>>>>>>>>> circuits. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nice thing is, it will do a data test without cable continuity. >>>>>>>>>> (It also does the actual cable continuity tests too). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I wonder what it would show on a less than 1Gbps radio. $1325 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From:* Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:32 PM >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry to be late to the party. ;-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have a few comments on iperf though. Iperf2 is not very >>>>>>>>>> reliable at high speeds. For high speeds, iperf3 tends to do a >>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>> better assuming you have enough computer to push the required speeds. >>>>>>>>>> However iperf3 cannot yet do bi-di tests. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For affordable testing, we've found Mikrotik's traffic generator >>>>>>>>>> to be pretty good. It's a little complicated to setup the first >>>>>>>>>> time but >>>>>>>>>> then it is better. Beware using btest - it uses a single core and >>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>> keep up especially if you try random data. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Then there's RFC testers like Exfo, Smartbits, etc. We use >>>>>>>>>> Smartbits. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> -Hal >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:15 AM Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Every new gear is suspicious in regards of holding up to the >>>>>>>>>>> promises made. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We’ve heard so many promises in the past and very often the >>>>>>>>>>> truth does not meet marketing. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So there is nothing aggressive if someone wants to see iperf >>>>>>>>>>> testing. Seeing is believing. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Ken >>>>>>>>>>> Hohhof >>>>>>>>>>> *Gesendet:* Montag, 4. April 2016 15:08 >>>>>>>>>>> *An:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> By comparison to the presidential contest, the tone was very >>>>>>>>>>> mild! Did you see Jimmy Kimmel’s American Girl & Boy Dolls >>>>>>>>>>> Presidential >>>>>>>>>>> Collection? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FYHPr7TL2AY >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 8:03 AM >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am not being defensive about Ignite, as I stated in my >>>>>>>>>>> email.... I am having a reaction to the tone of your question. If >>>>>>>>>>> you were >>>>>>>>>>> to look at my posts you will also see that I have expressed similar >>>>>>>>>>> feelings to others in regards to how they ask the question... >>>>>>>>>>> irrespective >>>>>>>>>>> of who they are asking about. I also apologized for this being a >>>>>>>>>>> personality defect in myself. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Cut & Paste was not for your benefit, but for others who >>>>>>>>>>> lurk in the forums. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing wrong with running an iperf test.. but you >>>>>>>>>>> specifically asked for the test to be run in a very particular way, >>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>> very particular pieces of equipment..... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My apologies if I am over reacting.... WISP's have many many >>>>>>>>>>> great attributes, however there is one attribute which would be >>>>>>>>>>> nice to >>>>>>>>>>> change for the better.... Our Attitudes towards the mfg. and the >>>>>>>>>>> default >>>>>>>>>>> presumption of a 'conspiracy' or 'they are trying to pull a fast >>>>>>>>>>> one on >>>>>>>>>>> us'..... along with it also having enough fortitude to asking the >>>>>>>>>>> MFG and >>>>>>>>>>> or their representatives the technical questions before coming to >>>>>>>>>>> the open >>>>>>>>>>> forums and taking an opinion poll.... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ok, I will now get off my soap box. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:52:00 PM >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For somebody who doesn't own a piece of the company and doesn't >>>>>>>>>>> work there, you're extremely defensive. I don't need a copied and >>>>>>>>>>> pasted >>>>>>>>>>> explanation of what FDD and TDD are. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How in any way whatsoever is it inappropriate to run iperf tests >>>>>>>>>>> on a newly released PTP bridge radio? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < >>>>>>>>>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> like I said before.. ask the question directly... no need for >>>>>>>>>>> the cloak and dagger ... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----------- >>>>>>>>>>> Frequency-division duplexing (FDD) is a method for establishing >>>>>>>>>>> a full-duplex communications link that uses two different radio >>>>>>>>>>> frequencies >>>>>>>>>>> for transmitter and receiver operation. The transmit direction and >>>>>>>>>>> receive >>>>>>>>>>> direction frequencies are separated by a defined frequency offset. >>>>>>>>>>> In the >>>>>>>>>>> microwave realm, the primary advantages of this approach are: >>>>>>>>>>> ----------------- >>>>>>>>>>> NO THEY ARE NOT FDD. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>>>> Time-division duplexing (TDD) is a method for emulating >>>>>>>>>>> full-duplex communication over a half-duplex communication link. The >>>>>>>>>>> transmitter and receiver both use the same frequency but transmit >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> receive traffic is switched in time. The primary advantages of this >>>>>>>>>>> approach as it applies to microwave communication are: >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> YES They are TDD. ( The notation of 1gig aggregate should have >>>>>>>>>>> give this away ! ) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Like all new products, they are making improvements with >>>>>>>>>>> firmware updates. The published specs are 'conservative'. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> These are the first radios of their kind in the market place... >>>>>>>>>>> I think you will need to modify your thinking about them, cause you >>>>>>>>>>> keep >>>>>>>>>>> comparing them to the other existing (much more expensive) radios >>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>> market place. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Anything else you would like to know ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to ask...... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> BTW, FWIW, I don't work for Ignite, nor do I own a piece of the >>>>>>>>>>> company (would love to buy stock in them if I could). I am on the >>>>>>>>>>> beta >>>>>>>>>>> testers of the product... There is something about the tone of your >>>>>>>>>>> question that is rubbing me the wrong way, my apologies if I am over >>>>>>>>>>> reacting...... I normally expect the proper professional decorum >>>>>>>>>>> to be.. >>>>>>>>>>> ask the question directly, and only if that is not answered or if >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> answer is not straight forward then it is ok to imply some >>>>>>>>>>> intentional >>>>>>>>>>> obfuscation..... not the other way around ! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:14:08 PM >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything, just to compare >>>>>>>>>>> them with existing line rate 60 GHz FDD solutions. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The datasheet says 1Gbps aggregate throughput but nowhere does >>>>>>>>>>> it say specifically if they're FDD or TDD in the 60 GHz band: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ignitenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/IgniteNet_MetroLinq.pdf >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < >>>>>>>>>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What exactly are you looking to prove of dis-prove with such a >>>>>>>>>>> test ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Iperf is iperf, what difference does it make how it is run.... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Are you asking the question 'How much data I can push thru with >>>>>>>>>>> these radios ?'..... the question has been answered multiple >>>>>>>>>>> times... >>>>>>>>>>> the radios are (as per specs, 1gig half duplex, thus giving you >>>>>>>>>>> 500meg x 500meg performance.) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Radio side is using 2ghz wide channel, and the latest >>>>>>>>>>> firmware is showing 700meg x 700meg performance.... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the problem with this ? if you think Ignite is lying >>>>>>>>>>> about the specs, buy a pair, do the testing you like, with pink, >>>>>>>>>>> blue, or >>>>>>>>>>> purple laptop of your choice and if you don't like them, send them >>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>> !... or someone will be happy to buy them from you ... they are in >>>>>>>>>>> short >>>>>>>>>>> supply as it is .... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 3, 2016 10:03:39 PM >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Anyone done a simultaneous bidirectional iperf test yet? >>>>>>>>>>> Preferably with something like a Thinkpad (Intel 1000BaseT NIC) >>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>> Linux plugged into each end. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>
