It makes fine tuning longer links easier. On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 9:06 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> Why would the distance matter? > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:41 PM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> The standard mount is being improved a bit (same cost) as well as an >> optional LR upgraded mount for longer distances. >> >> Thanks, >> -Hal >> >> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:49 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> wrote: >> > I thought they were releasing a 2nd gen mount? >>> On Apr 4, 2016 6:35 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Wasn’t there a post from them saying for a few bucks more there is a >>>> better mount? >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 6:18 PM >>>> >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>> >>> FWIW on these IgniteNet 60GHz, the mounts are horrendous. We got a >>>> couple of pairs and my installers are saying they’re worse than a nano >>>> bridge mount.. For the stability one would need to keep these locked on >>>> during a breeze, we were expecting a much heavier duty mount. >>>> >>>> >>> Chuck, another product idea for ya :) >>>> >>>> -c >>>> >>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I thought that was Trump’s plan to eliminate the national debt in 8 >>>> years! >>>> >>>> Or a new reality TV show: Naked and Unshod. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 5:31 PM >>>> >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>> >>>> I often tell my wife.... >>>> >>>> >>>> If the women of the world stopped buying shoes and clothes for 3 >>>> months, there will be a total world wide economic collapse ! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> :) >>>> >>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>> >>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>> <supp...@snappytelecom.net> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> >>>> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:58:01 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>> >>>> Ha >>>> >>>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:53 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I told my wife this morning that I am going to have to find a rehab >>>>> center for an Amazon addict. >>>>> >>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:47 PM >>>>> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> >>>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>> >>>> My wife always complains that I don't need more tools I respond... >>>>> when you stop buying shoes, I will stop buying tools...she gives me the >>>>> death stare. >>>>> >>>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:44 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> Chuck, somehow you remind me of my business partner.... who goes >>>>>> looking for projects, cause they are a perfect opportunity to collect >>>>>> (buy) >>>>>> more tools... one can never have enough tools ! >>>>>> >>>>>> (He is more into power tools, construction, mechanical etc ...) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>> >>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>> <supp...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:36:59 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>> >>>>>> I just tested a cable tester from Ideal that qualifies GigE circuits. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Nice thing is, it will do a data test without cable continuity. >>>>>> (It also does the actual cable continuity tests too). >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder what it would show on a less than 1Gbps radio. $1325 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com> >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:32 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry to be late to the party. ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a few comments on iperf though. Iperf2 is not very reliable >>>>>> at high speeds. For high speeds, iperf3 tends to do a little better >>>>>> assuming you have enough computer to push the required speeds. However >>>>>> iperf3 cannot yet do bi-di tests. >>>>>> >>>>>> For affordable testing, we've found Mikrotik's traffic generator to >>>>>> be pretty good. It's a little complicated to setup the first time but >>>>>> then >>>>>> it is better. Beware using btest - it uses a single core and can't keep >>>>>> up >>>>>> especially if you try random data. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then there's RFC testers like Exfo, Smartbits, etc. We use Smartbits. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> -Hal >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:15 AM Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Every new gear is suspicious in regards of holding up to the promises >>>>>>> made. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We’ve heard so many promises in the past and very often the truth >>>>>>> does not meet marketing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So there is nothing aggressive if someone wants to see iperf >>>>>>> testing. Seeing is believing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Ken Hohhof >>>>>>> *Gesendet:* Montag, 4. April 2016 15:08 >>>>>>> *An:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By comparison to the presidential contest, the tone was very mild! >>>>>>> Did you see Jimmy Kimmel’s American Girl & Boy Dolls Presidential >>>>>>> Collection? >>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FYHPr7TL2AY >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 8:03 AM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not being defensive about Ignite, as I stated in my email.... I >>>>>>> am having a reaction to the tone of your question. If you were to look >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> my posts you will also see that I have expressed similar feelings to >>>>>>> others >>>>>>> in regards to how they ask the question... irrespective of who they are >>>>>>> asking about. I also apologized for this being a personality defect in >>>>>>> myself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Cut & Paste was not for your benefit, but for others who lurk in >>>>>>> the forums. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is nothing wrong with running an iperf test.. but you >>>>>>> specifically asked for the test to be run in a very particular way, from >>>>>>> very particular pieces of equipment..... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My apologies if I am over reacting.... WISP's have many many great >>>>>>> attributes, however there is one attribute which would be nice to change >>>>>>> for the better.... Our Attitudes towards the mfg. and the default >>>>>>> presumption of a 'conspiracy' or 'they are trying to pull a fast one on >>>>>>> us'..... along with it also having enough fortitude to asking the MFG >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> or their representatives the technical questions before coming to the >>>>>>> open >>>>>>> forums and taking an opinion poll.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ok, I will now get off my soap box. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:52:00 PM >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For somebody who doesn't own a piece of the company and doesn't work >>>>>>> there, you're extremely defensive. I don't need a copied and pasted >>>>>>> explanation of what FDD and TDD are. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How in any way whatsoever is it inappropriate to run iperf tests on >>>>>>> a newly released PTP bridge radio? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < >>>>>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> like I said before.. ask the question directly... no need for the >>>>>>> cloak and dagger ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----------- >>>>>>> Frequency-division duplexing (FDD) is a method for establishing a >>>>>>> full-duplex communications link that uses two different radio >>>>>>> frequencies >>>>>>> for transmitter and receiver operation. The transmit direction and >>>>>>> receive >>>>>>> direction frequencies are separated by a defined frequency offset. In >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> microwave realm, the primary advantages of this approach are: >>>>>>> ----------------- >>>>>>> NO THEY ARE NOT FDD. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> Time-division duplexing (TDD) is a method for emulating full-duplex >>>>>>> communication over a half-duplex communication link. The transmitter and >>>>>>> receiver both use the same frequency but transmit and receive traffic is >>>>>>> switched in time. The primary advantages of this approach as it applies >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> microwave communication are: >>>>>>> ------------------ >>>>>>> YES They are TDD. ( The notation of 1gig aggregate should have give >>>>>>> this away ! ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Like all new products, they are making improvements with firmware >>>>>>> updates. The published specs are 'conservative'. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> These are the first radios of their kind in the market place... I >>>>>>> think you will need to modify your thinking about them, cause you keep >>>>>>> comparing them to the other existing (much more expensive) radios in the >>>>>>> market place. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anything else you would like to know ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Feel free to ask...... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BTW, FWIW, I don't work for Ignite, nor do I own a piece of the >>>>>>> company (would love to buy stock in them if I could). I am on the beta >>>>>>> testers of the product... There is something about the tone of your >>>>>>> question that is rubbing me the wrong way, my apologies if I am over >>>>>>> reacting...... I normally expect the proper professional decorum to >>>>>>> be.. >>>>>>> ask the question directly, and only if that is not answered or if the >>>>>>> answer is not straight forward then it is ok to imply some intentional >>>>>>> obfuscation..... not the other way around ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:14:08 PM >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything, just to compare them >>>>>>> with existing line rate 60 GHz FDD solutions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The datasheet says 1Gbps aggregate throughput but nowhere does it >>>>>>> say specifically if they're FDD or TDD in the 60 GHz band: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.ignitenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/IgniteNet_MetroLinq.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < >>>>>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What exactly are you looking to prove of dis-prove with such a test ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Iperf is iperf, what difference does it make how it is run.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are you asking the question 'How much data I can push thru with >>>>>>> these radios ?'..... the question has been answered multiple times... >>>>>>> the radios are (as per specs, 1gig half duplex, thus giving you >>>>>>> 500meg x 500meg performance.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Radio side is using 2ghz wide channel, and the latest firmware >>>>>>> is showing 700meg x 700meg performance.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What is the problem with this ? if you think Ignite is lying about >>>>>>> the specs, buy a pair, do the testing you like, with pink, blue, or >>>>>>> purple >>>>>>> laptop of your choice and if you don't like them, send them back !... or >>>>>>> someone will be happy to buy them from you ... they are in short supply >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> it is .... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 3, 2016 10:03:39 PM >>>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone done a simultaneous bidirectional iperf test yet? Preferably >>>>>>> with something like a Thinkpad (Intel 1000BaseT NIC) running Linux >>>>>>> plugged >>>>>>> into each end. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>