+1.
California finally took the ability of the legislature to gerrymander
away a couple years ago. As the legislature was heavily democratic, the
belief was that the un-gerrymandered districts would become more balanced.
Unexpected was that the new un-gerrymandered districts became more
democratic. I guess the legislature wasn't very good at how they
gerrymandered. They're still trying to figure out how that happened, but
it's pretty clear that the new districts are much more sane in the way
they are drawn.
bp
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On 4/7/2016 9:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office.
Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both
sides suck because of it.
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*From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a
super conservative "republican" could ever win.
As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.
All the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with
an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth
certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can
use your hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student
ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school.
Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2.
Make America great?!?!
-Sean
On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
"conservative minority" HAH!
Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while
indeed a minority fight for or against most things.
"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal
and illegal immigration.
If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in
Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties
gerrymander and it sucks.
You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why
should the most important thing be any different?
BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical
conversation.
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*From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve
a non-issue...PERIOD!
My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one
liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his
motivation was the same as all the South Americans coming here
now (I say South Americans because most of the illegal immigrants
are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother
from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were
looked down upon (early 1900's)
Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me"
mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those
who have no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the
South Americans migrating north for a better life are just plain
stupid in my opinion.
As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of
being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda
of this country being driven by this damn conservative minority
who would rather see their neighbor fail. And yes it is
a conservative minority because they have to gerrymander districts
and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and
Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the old,
sick and poor from dying on the streets.
I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies
and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society.
What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF?
I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into
a million pieces...you reap what you sow.
America is already fucking great!
Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see
American politicians act this poorly.
2 cents
-Sean
On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer
up front.
However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The
negotiation is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and
starts this process and is bound and determined to make it
happen, extremities can be discussed (or thrown out there as
shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made. The
point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it
started, and having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in
whatever way that takes) will get people’s attention.
Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course
not. Is it helpful and one part of the total solution needed?
absolutely. There IS NO border with the U.S. right now.
What is there is a façade. Trump is crude and I wish he would
tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s benefit,
including himself), but this country needs action in so, so
many areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything
that isn’t buried in PC or politics or corruption or power or
all of the above.
I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the
subject. But, I /still believe in America/ and its strength
and there is been absolutely nothing done in recent time to
maintain or increase its strength… only further dilution and
division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented level
historically.
Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our
country fan”
Paul
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime
Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
What a fucking idiot idea....from a fucking idiot.... did I
say fucking idiot..oh yes I did
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237
