Around here all you have to do is properly pronounce Tooele and
Oquirrh. Can’t do it, can’t vote.
(At least I don’t live in Mantua...)
*From:* Sean Heskett <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>
*Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:16 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
Google search "Arizona voter suppression" http://bfy.tw/59O3
It just happened and it's for real folks. I can't believe there are
Americans that are ok with making it harder to vote.
In Colorado we went to an all mail in ballot. Guess what, voter
participation is way up there are no long lines to go vote and the
people get to elect who they want. Oh and there is also no reports of
any fraud.
Sure am glad I live in a state that has strong American values towards
voting.
-Sean
On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com
<mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:
I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do
they drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have
a bank account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or
any number of other things that require an ID almost daily? Your
hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only
reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can vote to
keep your liberals in power.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote:
Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in
citizens of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of
Mexican descent, they obviously have every bit as much right
to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or
not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote:
Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting
because we're all racist.
Voting is little different with the second Amendment and
they're just fine with that.
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*From: *"Mathew Howard"
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*To: *"af" <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
*Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick
google tells me they require one of the following:
* Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of
Public Safety (DPS)
* Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
* Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
* Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
* United States military identification card containing
the person’s photograph
* United States citizenship certificate containing the
person’s photograph
* United States passport
Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I
don't really see anything inconsistent there.
here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are
acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID
card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary
documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate
to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're
actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about
requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be
eligible to vote.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');> wrote:
The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only
exists because of gerrymandering. They are in
districts that are so skewed that only a super
conservative "republican" could ever win.
As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that
absentee ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in
person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the
voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person
voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh sure the ID
might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to
produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your
hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student
ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school.
Tell me exactly how those two things in this country
are 1. Fair 2. Make America great?!?!
-Sean
On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote:
"conservative minority" HAH!
Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a
shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or
against most things.
"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference
between legal and illegal immigration.
If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering
districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good
at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.
You need an ID to do almost everything else in
your life, why should the most important thing be
any different?
BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a
mostly logical conversation.
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*From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He
Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive
attempt to solve a non-issue...PERIOD!
My great grandfather was an immigrant from
Italy...when no one liked Italians. Italy was poor
and invading north africa his motivation was the
same as all the South Americans coming here now (I
say South Americans because most of the illegal
immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He
forbade my grandmother from learning Italian
because at that time the Italians were looked down
upon (early 1900's)
Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the
gate behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica)
is built on immigrants. Those who have no
compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or
the South Americans migrating north for a better
life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm
fucking proud of being a progressive liberal - im
so sick and tired of the agenda of this country
being driven by this damn conservative minority
who would rather see their neighbor fail. And yes
it is a conservative minority because they have to
gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in
order to win. Social security and
Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and
prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the
streets.
I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze
their policies and rhetoric have no place in a
"civilized" society.
What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!?
Seriously WTF?
I can't wait to see the republican convention
contort itself into a million pieces...you reap
what you sow.
America is already fucking great!
Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my
hide to see American politicians act this poorly.
2 cents
-Sean
On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall
<pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make
this disclaimer up front.
However, there is a LOT of street smarts in
this guy. The negotiation is just that… a
negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this
process and is bound and determined to make it
happen, extremities can be discussed (or
thrown out there as shots across the bow), and
then adjustments get made. The point of a
wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it
started, and having Mexico start to feel the
pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get
people’s attention.
Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration
challenges? Of course not. Is it helpful and
one part of the total solution needed?
absolutely. There IS NO border with the U.S.
right now. What is there is a façade. Trump
is crude and I wish he would tone down the
rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s benefit,
including himself), but this country needs
action in so, so many areas and nobody seems
to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t
buried in PC or politics or corruption or
power or all of the above.
I acknowledge that I may be naïve or
optimistic on the subject. But, I /still
believe in America/ and its strength and there
is been absolutely nothing done in recent time
to maintain or increase its strength… only
further dilution and division and flailing
discourse at an unprecedented level historically.
Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls
and fix our country fan”
Paul
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He
Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
What a fucking idiot idea....from a fucking
idiot.... did I say fucking idiot..oh yes I did
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237
