Rory's points are also equally valid if you turn the platform around the other way - there's a number of ISPs that have *zero* Microsoft infrastructure on the back end.
If you have a great depth and breadth of in-house Linux/BSD sysadmin knowledge it makes sense to go with a custom in house built IMAP (TLS1.2) solution for email access. If I had something broken and Microsoft related sitting in front of me it would be a large learning curve to figure out what to do, and how not to fuck it up in the process. The last time I had admin rights on a system that ran Exchange it was v5.5 and ran on NT4. Just as some ISPs would have to pay a third party consultant for Linux stuff, I'd have to pay for Microsoft... I am not about to spend the time/money/effort to become fluent in all the myriad licensing issues and systems deployment requirements to built a reliable five nines Exchange server on a Windows platform. On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > 1) We don't provide email services to clients, for internal use only. We > tell them to use gmail, Hotmail, etc.. > 2) For security reasons, we can't use outside email services. > 3) If Exchange is good enough for pretty much most states, including > California, I'm good with that. > 4) If we do have a problem, we don't need a Linux expert in house which we > don't have, it's a simple phone call to Microsoft support. We have used > them once in 5 years and that was during the last migration. We found a > bug in the installation process and they refunded our money. > 5) Small Business Server was great for us but since it's discontinued, we > moved on to full Exchange. > > Rory > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds > Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 11:32 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Urgently need Exchange DB Guru > > [1] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the experience of a large email > provider [2] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the hardware redundancy of > a large email provider [3] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the software > redundancy of a large email provider [4] As a small to medium ISP, you > likely have other, more important duties besides worrying about managing > your own email server [5] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the dedicated > team a large email provider has to help get off / stay off blacklists [6] > As a small to medium ISP, internal per user mail cost via cloud provider is > a very efficient use of opex given the above [7] As a small to medium ISP, > you can only "do better" than the above in cost alone. > [8] As a small to medium ISP, If cost is the only importance when it comes > to mail, use Zimbra, Sendmail, etc. > [9] As a small to medium ISP, if you INSIST on offering hosted mail to > customers, consider Sendmail. Sendmail has been used by a metric asston of > ISPs - potentially serving several billion customers over the years. It is > very well tested and supported. > [10] As a small to medium ISP, if you INSIST on offering hosted mail to > customers and don't like Sendmail, consider Zimbra. Zimbra will offer you > support and features very similar to Exchange with a much lower cost. Your > end user devices won't know there is a difference. > > Somebody is going to come up with certain experiences they've had running > Exchange, or Qmail, or $whatever. That's fine, you experience and opinions > are no less relevant. > > Now I'm going to bow out, and maybe watch the carnage unfold after I > finish making this new ansible/Juniper playbook :) > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net> > wrote: > > 1.. exchange is easy. > > 2. why works great! > > > > > > > > > > www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds > > Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 12:52 PM > > To: af@afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Urgently need Exchange DB Guru > > > > [1] Good luck with getting it fixed > > > > [2] Get the fuck off exchange > > > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> thanks! > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 1:35 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm > >> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Keith Willis with Progent > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Gino Villarini > >>> <ginovi...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> We have a issue with our Exchange server. The database does not > mount. > >>>> Any recommendations for a Exchange Professional? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your > >>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > >> > >> >
