I understand. We just have a lot of in house legacy experience since we used to also do network systems management. If we didn’t, then I’d agree with you. When Microsoft Small Business Server was killed, that meant the cost went way up for most companies. On the other hand, hosted solutions don’t do everything that an internal Exchange Server can do.
Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 12:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Urgently need Exchange DB Guru In an SMB like a WISP. an exchange professional isnt the most cost effective staff member to have. There is the jack of all trades guy who can keep things going with a little help from google (google has replaced the stacks of manuals we used to reference, no shame in google, the skillset is knowing the keywords and ability to skim the results to find the effective solution pathway) but that puts alot of eggs in the basket of a guy whose got a high propensity for going on a shooting rampage. An owner can learn it, become the local guru, and forego the benefits of being the owner. Thats what I like about outsourced solutions experts like Progent or any of the multitude of other service providers. All you need to know is the basics and have a disaster plan that includes knowing the point of demarcation between local skillsets and outsourced skillsets to know when it becomes cost effective to pick up the phone. We went to hosted exchange a some time ago, and moved most of our contract services customers to it as well, we get less in support and a little in commission, but the end dollar amount to the customer is manageable. A whole lot less headaches dealing with Exchange now so customers can prioritize their focus on other IT fronts. Moreover, we dont have to invest in a local exchange expert on staff for a system that isnt prevalent in our market since the demise of SBS so we can focus on skillsets that better benefit our customer base across the board On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: 1) We don't provide email services to clients, for internal use only. We tell them to use gmail, Hotmail, etc.. 2) For security reasons, we can't use outside email services. 3) If Exchange is good enough for pretty much most states, including California, I'm good with that. 4) If we do have a problem, we don't need a Linux expert in house which we don't have, it's a simple phone call to Microsoft support. We have used them once in 5 years and that was during the last migration. We found a bug in the installation process and they refunded our money. 5) Small Business Server was great for us but since it's discontinued, we moved on to full Exchange. Rory -----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 11:32 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Urgently need Exchange DB Guru [1] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the experience of a large email provider [2] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the hardware redundancy of a large email provider [3] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the software redundancy of a large email provider [4] As a small to medium ISP, you likely have other, more important duties besides worrying about managing your own email server [5] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the dedicated team a large email provider has to help get off / stay off blacklists [6] As a small to medium ISP, internal per user mail cost via cloud provider is a very efficient use of opex given the above [7] As a small to medium ISP, you can only "do better" than the above in cost alone. [8] As a small to medium ISP, If cost is the only importance when it comes to mail, use Zimbra, Sendmail, etc. [9] As a small to medium ISP, if you INSIST on offering hosted mail to customers, consider Sendmail. Sendmail has been used by a metric asston of ISPs - potentially serving several billion customers over the years. It is very well tested and supported. [10] As a small to medium ISP, if you INSIST on offering hosted mail to customers and don't like Sendmail, consider Zimbra. Zimbra will offer you support and features very similar to Exchange with a much lower cost. Your end user devices won't know there is a difference. Somebody is going to come up with certain experiences they've had running Exchange, or Qmail, or $whatever. That's fine, you experience and opinions are no less relevant. Now I'm going to bow out, and maybe watch the carnage unfold after I finish making this new ansible/Juniper playbook :) On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net<mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote: > 1.. exchange is easy. > 2. why works great! > > > > > www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net> – 314-735-0270 > x103<tel:314-735-0270%20x103> – > dmburg...@linktechs.net<mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf > Of Josh Reynolds > Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 12:52 PM > To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Urgently need Exchange DB Guru > > [1] Good luck with getting it fixed > > [2] Get the fuck off exchange > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Gino Villarini > <ginovi...@gmail.com<mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> thanks! >> >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 1:35 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm >> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Keith Willis with Progent >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Gino Villarini >>> <ginovi...@gmail.com<mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> We have a issue with our Exchange server. The database does not mount. >>>> Any recommendations for a Exchange Professional? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> >> -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
