With the advent of hosted solutions my mindset has changed. I still host my own mail, but i am using packages like Zimbra and other solutions. Spam and Virus filtering are outsourced.
I am a fan of Postfix/Dovecot except for the add ons (domain keys, spf records, etc.) are all things that have to be shoehorned in so to speak. In packages like Zimbra and others itβs a checkbox or an option at install. This saves me a ton of time, and gives me things I have wanted for a long time. I am a fan of Iredmail, just not the price. Also a fan of @mail. Regardless of your choice sometimes it makes sense to not provide e-mail. Sometimes it makes sense to outsource it. Our last WISP we had e-mail for ourselves, but told everyone to go to gmail. Cut down on support and infrastructure costs considerably. Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net --- http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO xISP Solutions- Consulting β Data Centers - Bandwidth http://www.midwest-ix.com COO/Chairman Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric > On Jun 1, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Call me extremely old fashioned, but in my opinion having full control over > your own port 25 traffic and smtpd are a vital part of what defines being a > serious ISP. > > Just the same as you should have the technical acumen to administer BIND and > create your own zone files for your domain, it's necessary to know how to > deal with email. There are things you may need to do with a combination of > your email system and custom aliases/redirects and your in-house ticketing > system and monitoring that are incompatible with most third party email > services. > > I agree with your points on #2 and #3, my email setup (postfix + dovecot with > plugins for openDKIM, SPF verification and spamassassin) is not hosted on an > incredibly redundant platform, yet it's still met better than five nines > availability for the last several years. I have full flexibility on what > platform it runs on and can in an emergency move it to another set of > machines or another hypervisor. I own the hardware that it runs on and have > root on the hypervisor that it runs on. > > #5 is trivially easy to deal with as I do not provide email services for > customers (whose machines may be compromised/passwords stolen), and do not > run an open relay. I need a "team" to stay off blacklists? If I need to pay > more than 5 minutes/week attention to RBLs for my smtpd and IP space > something has gone terribly wrong. > > #9 - sendmail? seriously? save us from sendmail, there's a reason why >35% > of the recently deployed debian and/or centos/RHEL based smtpd on the net use > postfix or a more modern smtpd. > > #10 - if I wanted to offer hosted email it would get its own email server and > a web based email access system running on a LAMP server like roundcube or > rainloop. > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com > <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote: > [1] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the experience of a large email > provider > [2] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the hardware redundancy of a > large email provider > [3] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the software redundancy of a > large email provider > [4] As a small to medium ISP, you likely have other, more important > duties besides worrying about managing your own email server > [5] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the dedicated team a large > email provider has to help get off / stay off blacklists > [6] As a small to medium ISP, internal per user mail cost via cloud > provider is a very efficient use of opex given the above > [7] As a small to medium ISP, you can only "do better" than the above > in cost alone. > [8] As a small to medium ISP, If cost is the only importance when it > comes to mail, use Zimbra, Sendmail, etc. > [9] As a small to medium ISP, if you INSIST on offering hosted mail to > customers, consider Sendmail. Sendmail has been used by a metric > asston of ISPs - potentially serving several billion customers over > the years. It is very well tested and supported. > [10] As a small to medium ISP, if you INSIST on offering hosted mail > to customers and don't like Sendmail, consider Zimbra. Zimbra will > offer you support and features very similar to Exchange with a much > lower cost. Your end user devices won't know there is a difference. > > Somebody is going to come up with certain experiences they've had > running Exchange, or Qmail, or $whatever. That's fine, you experience > and opinions are no less relevant. > > Now I'm going to bow out, and maybe watch the carnage unfold after I > finish making this new ansible/Juniper playbook :) > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net > <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote: > > 1.. exchange is easy. > > 2. why works great! > > > > > > > > > > www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> β 314-735-0270 x103 β > > dmburg...@linktechs.net <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net> > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On > > Behalf Of Josh Reynolds > > Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 12:52 PM > > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Urgently need Exchange DB Guru > > > > [1] Good luck with getting it fixed > > > > [2] Get the fuck off exchange > > > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com > > <mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> thanks! > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 1:35 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm > >> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Keith Willis with Progent > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com > >>> <mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> We have a issue with our Exchange server. The database does not mount. > >>>> Any recommendations for a Exchange Professional? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your > >>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > >> > >> >
