I think if I was cambium, I would have a couple of guys on a plane or in a car 
with a suitcase of equipment to visit you in the field.  
This was not the intended or expected outcome for that product.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 8:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

Never really left.  I would have to lose customers with epmp 2.4 wifi due to 
lack of signal.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 5, 2016 10:12 PM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

  So you went back to UBNT in 2.4?



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 9:57 PM 


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP


  No.  I have no pmp450 in my network simply due to cost.






  Josh Luthman 


  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

  Josh,



  Have you tried 450 2.4 in the exact situation where ePMP 2.4 “sucked”?



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 5:10 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP



  No...it's not.  The EPMP 2.4 radios just suck at penetration.  I've done Ubnt 
KPP and IT Elite - they all performed terribly.






  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
wrote:



  hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with ubnt we're using kp 
performance.  With epmp, i think it is bundled antennas...



    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Ken Hohhof 

    To: af@afmug.com 

    Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP



    Jay, I suspect the difference you are seeing may be mainly in the antennas. 
 2.4 GHz from any vendor should penetrate the same, the radio waves don’t care 
what brand radio launched them.  And I think the difference between the 
platforms will be most evident in low interference environment where they can 
achieve their full modulation and throughput.  With low SNR, I think it’s kind 
of like arguing Ferrari vs Porsche for off road racing, neither will be able to 
show off its capabilities.  Receiver sensitivity and bits/sec/Hz won’t matter.





    From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

    Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM

    To: af@afmug.com 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP





    Also interested in interference rejection of the pmp450  - is there any (in 
2.4)

    we are getting better foliage penetration with ubnt 2.4 than epmp 2.4 - - 
and from the performance of

    the epmp 2.4 i wish wish wish it penetrated better!



      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: Matt 

      To: af@afmug.com 

      Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:25 PM

      Subject: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP



      We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some Ubiquiti we tried and
      some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have tested but so far
      have not deployed more then couple test links.

      For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are the differences
      you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance among others?

      For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was the reasoning?




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