Yup 36 Max ptmp and no I cannot confirm what power levels were being run on UBNT.

On 6/6/2016 10:03 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
21+15 just checked


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On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

    Isn't it 21+18 max?

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    On Jun 6, 2016 10:52 AM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com
    <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        only if the power is set wrong.

        On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman
        <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
        <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

            Epmp is like 6 dB less power?

            Josh Luthman
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            On Jun 6, 2016 10:47 AM, "Mathew Howard"
            <mhoward...@gmail.com <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

                The only direct comparison I've seen with the same
                antennas at the AP was the one Jerry Head mentioned
                here... and he wasn't able to confirm that TX power
                was the same.

                The other thing that I'm wondering about is if the
                fact that the Cambium sectors are dual slant instead
                of H/V has something to do with it.

                On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Ken Hohhof
                <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

                    Someone asked whether the xmt power was
                    apples-to-apples, has that been answered?
                    If the antennas are comparable, it would seem the
                    only explanations for different rcv signal would
                    be xmt power, or calibration error.
                    *From:* Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
                    *Sent:* Monday, June 06, 2016 8:18 AM
                    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
                    I think if I was cambium, I would have a couple of
                    guys on a plane or in a car with a suitcase of
                    equipment to visit you in the field.
                    This was not the intended or expected outcome for
                    that product.
                    *From:* Josh Luthman
                    <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
                    *Sent:* Sunday, June 05, 2016 8:17 PM
                    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

                    Never really left. I would have to lose customers
                    with epmp 2.4 wifi due to lack of signal.

                    Josh Luthman
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                    On Jun 5, 2016 10:12 PM, "Paul McCall"
                    <pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:

                        So you went back to UBNT in 2.4?

                        *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
                        <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of
                        *Josh Luthman
                        *Sent:* Sunday, June 5, 2016 9:57 PM


                        *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

                        No. I have no pmp450 in my network simply due
                        to cost.


                        Josh Luthman


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                        On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Paul McCall
                        <pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
                        wrote:

                        Josh,

                        Have you tried 450 2.4 in the exact situation
                        where ePMP 2.4 “sucked”?

                        *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
                        <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of
                        *Josh Luthman
                        *Sent:* Thursday, June 2, 2016 5:10 PM
                        *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

                        No...it's not.  The EPMP 2.4 radios just suck
                        at penetration. I've done Ubnt KPP and IT
                        Elite - they all performed terribly.


                        Josh Luthman
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                        On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:59 PM, CBB - Jay
                        Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net
                        <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

                        hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with
                        ubnt we're using kp performance. With epmp, i
                        think it is bundled antennas...

                            ----- Original Message -----

                            *From:*Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>

                            *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

                            *Sent:*Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM

                            *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

                            Jay, I suspect the difference you are
                            seeing may be mainly in the antennas. 2.4
                            GHz from any vendor should penetrate the
                            same, the radio waves don’t care what
                            brand radio launched them.  And I think
                            the difference between the platforms will
                            be most evident in low interference
                            environment where they can achieve their
                            full modulation and throughput. With low
                            SNR, I think it’s kind of like arguing
                            Ferrari vs Porsche for off road racing,
                            neither will be able to show off its
                            capabilities. Receiver sensitivity and
                            bits/sec/Hz won’t matter.

                            *From:*CBB - Jay Fuller
                            <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>

                            *Sent:*Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM

                            *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

                            *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

                            Also interested in interference rejection
                            of the pmp450  - is there any (in 2.4)

                            we are getting better foliage penetration
                            with ubnt 2.4 than epmp 2.4 - - and from
                            the performance of

                            the epmp 2.4 i wish wish wish it
                            penetrated better!

                                ----- Original Message -----

                                *From:*Matt
                                <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>

                                *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

                                *Sent:*Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:25 PM

                                *Subject:*[AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

                                We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450
                                deployed. Some Ubiquiti we tried and
                                some we inherited as well.  Have some
                                ePMP we have tested but so far
                                have not deployed more then couple
                                test links.

                                For those who have tried both ePMP and
                                PMP450 what are the differences
                                you have seen in performance?
                                Interference tolerance among others?

                                For those that have gone with PMP450
                                over ePMP what was the reasoning?





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