They don't like to hand over ownership
On Jun 9, 2016 10:00 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thats why I said subsidized. For that volume of subsidized cellular data
> nodes the cost per unit (hardware, and service) can be negotiated. Use ptp,
> ptmp to interconnect the low hanging fruit, cellular to handle the problem
> children(where service exists), data bank to offset extended consumption.
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> For over 600 Wells, 50 pump stations, 15 boosters, 25 storm systems, 400
>> lift stations and 8 wastewater plants?
>> On Jun 9, 2016 9:13 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Really, if its subsidized, depending on the actual current and realistic
>>> near term future bandwidth demands, a primarily bulk cellular data with on
>>> demand ptp and ptmp solution for gap fillers might be well worth looking
>>> into. Review the entire infrastructure and build some data banking
>>> locations to aggregate any non real time demand to off peak syncronization
>>> locations.
>>>
>>> owning a network is always ideal when conditions are ideal, but from the
>>> sounds of it, thats just not the case
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would recommend 11GHz for ptp...I would test the Cambium and Ubiquiti
>>>> 900 since antennas are in place...but I am thinking of LTE MuMimo solutions
>>>> as well..  with all the tanks they have I would reduce long links to
>>>> closest one...right now most shoot to one tank....the original 1993 design
>>>> is obsolete
>>>> On Jun 9, 2016 8:07 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe 4.9 GHz LOS links between towers, and Cambium PMP450i and
>>>>> PTP450i in 900 MHz for the NLOS links?
>>>>>
>>>>> As long as they stick with cameras that have reasonable BW
>>>>> requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 8:52 AM
>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] If it was you...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 4.9 is not a good option due to existing public safety links on both
>>>>> sides of border.    The new PLCs from Allen Bradley are IP based as well
>>>>> other gear they are now using. Also heard they are considering cameras at
>>>>> Wells not just boosters and wastewater.
>>>>> On Jun 9, 2016 7:43 AM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If they have to have the data throughput then I'd tell them to go
>>>>>> with 4.9 and leave the unlicensed guys alone. But, do they really need 
>>>>>> it?
>>>>>> Is this like using a backhoe to dig a fence post hole?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Make sure the big ‘ol wall people want ends up blocking the RF? lol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2016, at 9:49 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While working at Storm Water site today, one of the water Co. SCADA
>>>>>>> guys came by... he discussed that they are looking at WiMax and also 
>>>>>>> 4.9GHz
>>>>>>> to replace existing licensed 900mhz network for our 600 locations.  They
>>>>>>> are using MDS SD9 radios for MAS and LEDR for ptp.... they want to move 
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> to faster Ethernet based radios.... I listened and offered no 
>>>>>>> comments....I
>>>>>>> was not about to tell them about WiMAX or that our sister city has over 
>>>>>>> 200
>>>>>>> 4.9GHz links in operation since 2010...I have ideas of what I would
>>>>>>> do...Some background.... .many  remote  links are NLOS...easy to do with
>>>>>>> their existing  5 Watt licensed radios and APs on 150 Ft elevated tanks 
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> mountain.  ptp links are easy for most of east and lower valley because 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> tanks available and mountain locations....let's see what you gurus
>>>>>>> suggest....we are on border and it is very noisy in all bands.  I mean 
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> bands
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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