Much as it seems heavy-handed, Windows 7/8 systems auto-updating themselves to Windows 10 (which then installs itself with all its auto-updating/phone-home features turned on) is a significant measure towards protecting the individual end user from themselves.
Or at least reducing the general number of millions of infected/trojaned Windows PCs out there. I think Win10 by default installs itself with Microsoft's antivirus services enabled? On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > Then we can protect them from themselves? > > On Jul 18, 2016 12:22 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thankfully for us, I suppose, many of those smaller organizations are >> moving all their stuff to "the cloud", where at least huge corporate >> overlords have the chance to disable and remove obsolete feature sets. >> Ideally because everything they use is wrapped inside a friendly >> HTML5/CSS/Javascript GUI inside a browser window so their 'app' is actually >> a full screen browser session. >> >> As long as their OS is fully updated, as Windows 10 will try to keep >> itself as long as people don't tamper with its defaults, and they're >> running a recent browser version... >> >> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The problem is there are far more individuals/orgs in the "other types >>> of organization" than there are individuals/orgs of type "ISP". >>> >>> On Jul 18, 2016 12:13 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> At larger organizations change definitely can be implemented and old >>>> things retired/deprecated... All it takes is a CTO type who cares, the >>>> sort of person that reads Bruce Schnier's blog and donates money to the >>>> EFF. >>>> >>>> Hopefully this sort of person is found within the ISP industry more >>>> commonly than in other types of organization. If you were to make a venn >>>> diagram of the people who have 'enable' on the core routers for the top 100 >>>> ASNs (as ranked by CAIDA) to see if it overlaps with people who care about >>>> properly implemented crypto, I'd hope there's a significant overlap. >>>> >>>> If not, I'm scared for the health of the Internet as a whole. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Looking at the numerous roles and companies I've been at over the past >>>>> 20 years, security in most organizations is such an afterthought that it >>>>> normally doesn't even compute. You're right, people just want it to work, >>>>> and damn the consequences. These are the same people who won't use SSL >>>>> unless it's forced on them, still have telnet enabled because it's easier >>>>> and they didn't have to download anything, and would still use WEP if it >>>>> hadn't been forcefully removed in most products by the wifi alliance >>>>> simply >>>>> to maintain compatibility with a random ancient wireless device. >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 18, 2016 11:41 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> No he would definitely be right. More users want it to work before >>>>> caring about encryption. Easy before secure every time. >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 18, 2016 12:37 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I feel like you are overestimating most individuals. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 18, 2016 11:34 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not sure that most people care about the encryption grade of >>>>>>> their phone tunnels, especially when most anything of importance would >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> application-layer encryption. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:51:44 PM >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Favorite VPN clients for Windows, Android >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ^^^^^ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What he said. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2016 4:24 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you care about what you're doing *at all*, please stop using >>>>>>>> PPTP... Do you also use SSLv3 and TLS1.0? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There's many well documented reasons why the crypto used in PPTP is >>>>>>>> obsolete and should never be used by anyone. Plenty of totally free VPN >>>>>>>> systems exist that use completely free BSD/GPL licensed software. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 12:11 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yup. I just use PPTP on all of my Android and Win 10 devices. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7/17/2016 9:49 AM, Casey | WISPA wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just use the built in Windows VPN client. Same thing with the >>>>>>>>> droid/iPhone. I use them all, daily!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Casey >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What is the best software to use to connect a Windows 10 machine >>>>>>>>> to a Mikrotik? 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