Because in the cloud they don’t have to break your encryption to sell your
clickstream data, they just put in the fine print that they’re gonna do it.
From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Favorite VPN clients for Windows, Android
Thankfully for us, I suppose, many of those smaller organizations are moving
all their stuff to "the cloud", where at least huge corporate overlords have
the chance to disable and remove obsolete feature sets. Ideally because
everything they use is wrapped inside a friendly HTML5/CSS/Javascript GUI
inside a browser window so their 'app' is actually a full screen browser
session.
As long as their OS is fully updated, as Windows 10 will try to keep itself as
long as people don't tamper with its defaults, and they're running a recent
browser version...
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
The problem is there are far more individuals/orgs in the "other types of
organization" than there are individuals/orgs of type "ISP".
On Jul 18, 2016 12:13 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
At larger organizations change definitely can be implemented and old things
retired/deprecated... All it takes is a CTO type who cares, the sort of person
that reads Bruce Schnier's blog and donates money to the EFF.
Hopefully this sort of person is found within the ISP industry more
commonly than in other types of organization. If you were to make a venn
diagram of the people who have 'enable' on the core routers for the top 100
ASNs (as ranked by CAIDA) to see if it overlaps with people who care about
properly implemented crypto, I'd hope there's a significant overlap.
If not, I'm scared for the health of the Internet as a whole.
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
Looking at the numerous roles and companies I've been at over the past 20
years, security in most organizations is such an afterthought that it normally
doesn't even compute. You're right, people just want it to work, and damn the
consequences. These are the same people who won't use SSL unless it's forced on
them, still have telnet enabled because it's easier and they didn't have to
download anything, and would still use WEP if it hadn't been forcefully removed
in most products by the wifi alliance simply to maintain compatibility with a
random ancient wireless device.
On Jul 18, 2016 11:41 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:
No he would definitely be right. More users want it to work before
caring about encryption. Easy before secure every time.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 18, 2016 12:37 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
I feel like you are overestimating most individuals.
On Jul 18, 2016 11:34 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
I'm not sure that most people care about the encryption grade of
their phone tunnels, especially when most anything of importance would have
application-layer encryption.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:51:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Favorite VPN clients for Windows, Android
^^^^^
What he said.
On Jul 17, 2016 4:24 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
wrote:
If you care about what you're doing at all, please stop using
PPTP... Do you also use SSLv3 and TLS1.0?
There's many well documented reasons why the crypto used in PPTP
is obsolete and should never be used by anyone. Plenty of totally free VPN
systems exist that use completely free BSD/GPL licensed software.
On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 12:11 PM, George Skorup
<geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
Yup. I just use PPTP on all of my Android and Win 10 devices.
On 7/17/2016 9:49 AM, Casey | WISPA wrote:
Just use the built in Windows VPN client. Same thing with the
droid/iPhone. I use them all, daily!!
Casey
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 17, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net>
wrote:
What is the best software to use to connect a Windows 10
machine to a Mikrotik? For Android also?
Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com
