The problem is there are far more individuals/orgs in the "other types of organization" than there are individuals/orgs of type "ISP".
On Jul 18, 2016 12:13 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: > At larger organizations change definitely can be implemented and old > things retired/deprecated... All it takes is a CTO type who cares, the > sort of person that reads Bruce Schnier's blog and donates money to the > EFF. > > Hopefully this sort of person is found within the ISP industry more > commonly than in other types of organization. If you were to make a venn > diagram of the people who have 'enable' on the core routers for the top 100 > ASNs (as ranked by CAIDA) to see if it overlaps with people who care about > properly implemented crypto, I'd hope there's a significant overlap. > > If not, I'm scared for the health of the Internet as a whole. > > On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote: > >> Looking at the numerous roles and companies I've been at over the past 20 >> years, security in most organizations is such an afterthought that it >> normally doesn't even compute. You're right, people just want it to work, >> and damn the consequences. These are the same people who won't use SSL >> unless it's forced on them, still have telnet enabled because it's easier >> and they didn't have to download anything, and would still use WEP if it >> hadn't been forcefully removed in most products by the wifi alliance simply >> to maintain compatibility with a random ancient wireless device. >> >> On Jul 18, 2016 11:41 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> wrote: >> >> No he would definitely be right. More users want it to work before >> caring about encryption. Easy before secure every time. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Jul 18, 2016 12:37 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >> >>> I feel like you are overestimating most individuals. >>> >>> On Jul 18, 2016 11:34 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not sure that most people care about the encryption grade of their >>>> phone tunnels, especially when most anything of importance would have >>>> application-layer encryption. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:51:44 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Favorite VPN clients for Windows, Android >>>> >>>> ^^^^^ >>>> >>>> What he said. >>>> >>>> On Jul 17, 2016 4:24 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you care about what you're doing *at all*, please stop using >>>>> PPTP... Do you also use SSLv3 and TLS1.0? >>>>> >>>>> There's many well documented reasons why the crypto used in PPTP is >>>>> obsolete and should never be used by anyone. Plenty of totally free VPN >>>>> systems exist that use completely free BSD/GPL licensed software. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 12:11 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yup. I just use PPTP on all of my Android and Win 10 devices. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/17/2016 9:49 AM, Casey | WISPA wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Just use the built in Windows VPN client. Same thing with the >>>>>> droid/iPhone. I use them all, daily!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Casey >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> What is the best software to use to connect a Windows 10 machine to a >>>>>> Mikrotik? For Android also? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul McCall, President >>>>>> >>>>>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. >>>>>> >>>>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway >>>>>> >>>>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962 >>>>>> >>>>>> 772-564-6800 >>>>>> >>>>>> pa...@pdmnet.net >>>>>> >>>>>> www.pdmnet.com >>>>>> >>>>>> www.floridabroadband.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >
