Thankfully for us, I suppose, many of those smaller organizations are moving all their stuff to "the cloud", where at least huge corporate overlords have the chance to disable and remove obsolete feature sets. Ideally because everything they use is wrapped inside a friendly HTML5/CSS/Javascript GUI inside a browser window so their 'app' is actually a full screen browser session.
As long as their OS is fully updated, as Windows 10 will try to keep itself as long as people don't tamper with its defaults, and they're running a recent browser version... On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > The problem is there are far more individuals/orgs in the "other types of > organization" than there are individuals/orgs of type "ISP". > > On Jul 18, 2016 12:13 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> At larger organizations change definitely can be implemented and old >> things retired/deprecated... All it takes is a CTO type who cares, the >> sort of person that reads Bruce Schnier's blog and donates money to the >> EFF. >> >> Hopefully this sort of person is found within the ISP industry more >> commonly than in other types of organization. If you were to make a venn >> diagram of the people who have 'enable' on the core routers for the top 100 >> ASNs (as ranked by CAIDA) to see if it overlaps with people who care about >> properly implemented crypto, I'd hope there's a significant overlap. >> >> If not, I'm scared for the health of the Internet as a whole. >> >> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Looking at the numerous roles and companies I've been at over the past >>> 20 years, security in most organizations is such an afterthought that it >>> normally doesn't even compute. You're right, people just want it to work, >>> and damn the consequences. These are the same people who won't use SSL >>> unless it's forced on them, still have telnet enabled because it's easier >>> and they didn't have to download anything, and would still use WEP if it >>> hadn't been forcefully removed in most products by the wifi alliance simply >>> to maintain compatibility with a random ancient wireless device. >>> >>> On Jul 18, 2016 11:41 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> No he would definitely be right. More users want it to work before >>> caring about encryption. Easy before secure every time. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Jul 18, 2016 12:37 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I feel like you are overestimating most individuals. >>>> >>>> On Jul 18, 2016 11:34 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm not sure that most people care about the encryption grade of their >>>>> phone tunnels, especially when most anything of importance would have >>>>> application-layer encryption. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:51:44 PM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Favorite VPN clients for Windows, Android >>>>> >>>>> ^^^^^ >>>>> >>>>> What he said. >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 17, 2016 4:24 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If you care about what you're doing *at all*, please stop using >>>>>> PPTP... Do you also use SSLv3 and TLS1.0? >>>>>> >>>>>> There's many well documented reasons why the crypto used in PPTP is >>>>>> obsolete and should never be used by anyone. Plenty of totally free VPN >>>>>> systems exist that use completely free BSD/GPL licensed software. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 12:11 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yup. I just use PPTP on all of my Android and Win 10 devices. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/17/2016 9:49 AM, Casey | WISPA wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just use the built in Windows VPN client. Same thing with the >>>>>>> droid/iPhone. I use them all, daily!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Casey >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What is the best software to use to connect a Windows 10 machine to >>>>>>> a Mikrotik? 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