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-----Original Message-----
> From: "Tim Reichhart" <timreichh...@hometowncable.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 08/09/16 02:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>
> Josh
> the retail pricing for static IP for TWC is not 20 dollars because 13 statics
> is about 50 dollars per month which it comes down to about 4 dollars per IP
> and signal IP is about 10-15 dollars. Frontier 5 statics is about 20 dollars
> on business DSL.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Date: 08/09/16 02:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
> >
> > Your comment was that the "bulk of broadband providers" are in the "$3
> > - $5" range.
> >
> > I countered that with up to date (as up to date as I could find)
> > pricing with over 90% of the US broadband market, with some of that
> > pricing having been consistent since 2011.
> >
> > *shrug*
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> > wrote:
> > > and also look at the pricing on a /29 ...
> > > IPv4 pricing is not linear, cause how they assign it.
> > >
> > > I am not sure what were talking about anymore..
> > >
> > > The original discussion was in regards to Wholesale / Bulk Ip lease and
> > > not Retail give me an IP for one end user cost price.
> > >
> > > Retail price has a few more things built into it... especially cost
> > > processing (labor) management and tracking..
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > >
> > > Faisal Imtiaz
> > > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > > Miami, FL 33155
> > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> > >
> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> > >> To: af@afmug.com
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:19:22 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
> > >
> > >> Comcast (may be old pricing): $15 / mo
> > >> Comcast business: $20 / mo
> > >> AT&T: $15 - $40 / mo
> > >> Verizon Wireless: $500 "one time setup fee" (ZOINKS!, that is the
> > >> wireless division though...)
> > >> Verizon FIOS: $20 / mo (depends on bundling options, it's actually
> > >> more expensive on the higher plans!, see here:
> > >> https://www.verizon.com/smallbusiness/products/business-FiOS-Internet/packages/
> > >> )
> > >> CenturyTel: has had $20 / mo pricing since 2011 and possibly before:
> > >> https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25926181-CenturyTel-20-per-month-fee-for-single-static-IP-address-seem
> > >> CenturyLink (Qwest network): $10 / mo with $75 setup fee
> > >> Time Warner: $20 / mo
> > >> Google Fiber: $20 for 1 /mo, $30 for 5 / mo
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Faisal Imtiaz
> > >> <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
> > >>> Yes, but that is direct retail side, and that is most likely reflective
> > >>> of
> > >>> internal policy.. (running server on a static IP)... thus getting a
> > >>> premium
> > >>> for that type of use.
> > >>>
> > >>> Bulk of the broadband providers are still in the $3 to $5 / ip range.
> > >>>
> > >>> Faisal Imtiaz
> > >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > >>> 7266 SW 48 Street
> > >>> Miami, FL 33155
> > >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> > >>>
> > >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> > >>>
> > >>> ________________________________
> > >>>
> > >>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> > >>> To: af@afmug.com
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:17:45 AM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
> > >>>
> > >>> The residential ISPs have been preparing for this by charging up to
> > >>> $30/Mo
> > >>> :( see Google.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Aug 9, 2016 8:54 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> yeah, projections from the same folks who create stock market bubbles
> > >>>> !
> > >>>> LOL!, there is no shortage of folks making up numbers as needed.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Logically speaking, look at the trending lease price, in the range of
> > >>>> $1
> > >>>> to $2 /ip /month... which would give a very good clue on purchase
> > >>>> price.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> For a $300 to $500 per IP valuation, the ongoing lease rate would need
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> be in the $10/$20 /month range. Which I have a hard time visualizing...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Retail rental/lease from Upstream IP transit providers is still running
> > >>>> somewhere between Free to less than $3-$5/ip/month. Depending on the
> > >>>> ARPU of
> > >>>> the BW purchase.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> my 2.5 cents worth.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Faisal Imtiaz
> > >>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > >>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
> > >>>> Miami, FL 33155
> > >>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> > From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> > >>>> > To: af@afmug.com
> > >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:55:42 AM
> > >>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> > Reasonable projections (IMO) I have seen are $30 to $40 per IP. I
> > >>>> > have
> > >>>> > seen some projections talking $100-$200 per IP. This is a one time
> > >>>> > fee
> > >>>> > though, not including RIR transfer and annual fee (much smaller than
> > >>>> > the cost of the block, based on total allocations to you).
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
> > >>>> > <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> >> $13 per IP on a /24 ???? wow.....
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net>
> > >>>> >> wrote:
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>> He created a toaster?? LOL
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>> https://postscapes.com/internet-of-things-history/
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>> Travis
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>> On 8/8/2016 8:53 PM, Robert wrote:
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>> He can afford to wait a long time.... He was the developer of the
> > >>>> >>> first
> > >>>> >>> of one of the major devices on the internet.
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>> On 8/8/16 5:24 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>> As in a /16 ? he’ll be waiting a long time in my opinion ….
> > >>>> >>> (could be
> > >>>> >>> dead wrong there)
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>> I monitor prices every so often to “check in” and see what the
> > >>>> >>> market
> > >>>> >>> is
> > >>>> >>> doing … seen prices drop in the past few months, not sure why –
> > >>>> >>> guessing
> > >>>> >>> that it’s because the market is slowing down and/or there are more
> > >>>> >>> blocks
> > >>>> >>> coming available
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> > >>>> >>> Sent: August 8, 2016 7:39 PM
> > >>>> >>> To: af@afmug.com
> > >>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>> A friend of mine has an unused Class B... But he's going to wait
> > >>>> >>> for
> > >>>> >>> $300-500 pricing... LOL...
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>> On 8/8/16 3:30 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>> besides ip auctions.com Anyone knows of of ip address sources for
> > >>>> >>> buying?
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>> >>>
> > >>>
