From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 08/09/16 02:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
Your comment was that the "bulk of broadband providers" are in the "$3
- $5" range.
I countered that with up to date (as up to date as I could find)
pricing with over 90% of the US broadband market, with some of that
pricing having been consistent since 2011.
*shrug*
On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
wrote:
> and also look at the pricing on a /29 ...
> IPv4 pricing is not linear, cause how they assign it.
>
> I am not sure what were talking about anymore..
>
> The original discussion was in regards to Wholesale / Bulk Ip lease and
> not Retail give me an IP for one end user cost price.
>
> Retail price has a few more things built into it... especially cost
> processing (labor) management and tracking..
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:19:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>
>> Comcast (may be old pricing): $15 / mo
>> Comcast business: $20 / mo
>> AT&T: $15 - $40 / mo
>> Verizon Wireless: $500 "one time setup fee" (ZOINKS!, that is the
>> wireless division though...)
>> Verizon FIOS: $20 / mo (depends on bundling options, it's actually
>> more expensive on the higher plans!, see here:
>>
https://www.verizon.com/smallbusiness/products/business-FiOS-Internet/packages/
>> )
>> CenturyTel: has had $20 / mo pricing since 2011 and possibly before:
>>
https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25926181-CenturyTel-20-per-month-fee-for-single-static-IP-address-seem
>> CenturyLink (Qwest network): $10 / mo with $75 setup fee
>> Time Warner: $20 / mo
>> Google Fiber: $20 for 1 /mo, $30 for 5 / mo
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Faisal Imtiaz
>> <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>>> Yes, but that is direct retail side, and that is most likely
>>> reflective of
>>> internal policy.. (running server on a static IP)... thus getting a
>>> premium
>>> for that type of use.
>>>
>>> Bulk of the broadband providers are still in the $3 to $5 / ip range.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:17:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>>>
>>> The residential ISPs have been preparing for this by charging up to
>>> $30/Mo
>>> :( see Google.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2016 8:54 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> yeah, projections from the same folks who create stock market
>>>> bubbles !
>>>> LOL!, there is no shortage of folks making up numbers as needed.
>>>>
>>>> Logically speaking, look at the trending lease price, in the range
>>>> of $1
>>>> to $2 /ip /month... which would give a very good clue on purchase
>>>> price.
>>>>
>>>> For a $300 to $500 per IP valuation, the ongoing lease rate would
>>>> need to
>>>> be in the $10/$20 /month range. Which I have a hard time
>>>> visualizing...
>>>>
>>>> Retail rental/lease from Upstream IP transit providers is still
>>>> running
>>>> somewhere between Free to less than $3-$5/ip/month. Depending on the
>>>> ARPU of
>>>> the BW purchase.
>>>>
>>>> my 2.5 cents worth.
>>>>
>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>>
>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:55:42 AM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>>>>
>>>> > Reasonable projections (IMO) I have seen are $30 to $40 per IP. I
>>>> > have
>>>> > seen some projections talking $100-$200 per IP. This is a one time
>>>> > fee
>>>> > though, not including RIR transfer and annual fee (much smaller
>>>> > than
>>>> > the cost of the block, based on total allocations to you).
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
>>>> > <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> $13 per IP on a /24 ???? wow.....
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> He created a toaster?? LOL
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> https://postscapes.com/internet-of-things-history/
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Travis
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 8/8/2016 8:53 PM, Robert wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> He can afford to wait a long time.... He was the developer of
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> first
>>>> >>> of one of the major devices on the internet.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 8/8/16 5:24 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> As in a /16 ? he’ll be waiting a long time in my opinion ….
>>>> >>> (could be
>>>> >>> dead wrong there)
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I monitor prices every so often to “check in” and see what the
>>>> >>> market
>>>> >>> is
>>>> >>> doing … seen prices drop in the past few months, not sure why –
>>>> >>> guessing
>>>> >>> that it’s because the market is slowing down and/or there are
>>>> >>> more
>>>> >>> blocks
>>>> >>> coming available
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
>>>> >>> Sent: August 8, 2016 7:39 PM
>>>> >>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> A friend of mine has an unused Class B... But he's going to
>>>> >>> wait for
>>>> >>> $300-500 pricing... LOL...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 8/8/16 3:30 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> besides ip auctions.com Anyone knows of of ip address sources
>>>> >>> for
>>>> >>> buying?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>
