Impossible. Next he’ll be telling us Sears, KMart, Blockbuster, Radio
Shack and Circuit City are going to die off. Or that Verizon will buy
AOL and Yahoo. Now pardon me while I drive to the mall and shop at
Monkey Wards.
*From:* Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
*Sent:* Friday, August 12, 2016 11:20 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
Instagram is about to die off?
>Alexa rankIncrease 19 (July 2016)
>Ranked 16th in the US
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/instagram.com
Josh Luthman
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On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
No need for Snapchat. It'll die off like Instagram and Tumblr are
about to do.
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Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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*From: *"Gino Villarini" <ginovi...@gmail.com
<mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>>
*To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Friday, August 12, 2016 10:56:00 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
Snapchat is no longer either a teen app nor its for nudes... like
every app, it evolves ... If you guys are not keeping pace with the
digital evolution... you turn into dinosaurs...
On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net
<mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:
You have a very small population to cater to... and most of them
probably don't use FB. LOL
Travis
On 8/11/2016 11:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I wish you could teach me how to use FB for marketing. I
finally stopped paying google and bing and my sales have
gone way up. Go figure.
-----Original Message----- From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
So... Google is going to do what WISP's have been doing for
20 years
(before they were even called WISPs). That's hilarious.
"Fiber! Fiber! Fiber! That is the answer to everything. We
are doing
fiber everywhere!"
"Fiber is expensive, and we can never get an ROI with that
model...
let's look at wireless."
I'm still laughing... a company that size, with those
resources, and yet
they still seem to be clueless sometimes. I'm in agreement,
I doubt
Google will even be around in 20 years. I own several e-commerce
companies (multi-million dollar ones), and we don't spend a
dime with
Google. One company spends $5k/month with Facebook and it
generates
$400k in sales, per month.
Google is becoming "old school"... the same way email is
compared to
texting... and the way texting/FB/Instagram is compared to
Snapchat.
These companies get big, really fast... but the problem is,
that means
someone else can do the same thing.
Travis
On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Sorry to sound like not a google fanboy but it's a
typical phd company.. They look at the paper pile before
the experience pile... & yes they will eventually go
down because of it...
On 08/11/2016 03:24 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber
projects, I can tell you there are a number of
factors that caused them to take pause on the
deployments. One was the almost obstructionist
attitude of pole owners (read competitors to their
broadband deployment). This forced a lot more of the
project deigns to underground deployment. In cities
like San Jose and San Francisco, there were a lot of
requirements that cost more money than Google
budgeted for. In some respects Google kind of had
the idea that cities would remove obstacles like
that to get them in their city. With so much
existing broadband already in place, this is
certainly not the case. I think Google thought all
cities were going to have the attitude like they had
with the first cities who applied for Google to come
to their cities (Like Kansas City did).
Google was also of the impression that they could
design and permit their networks and then cherry
pick neighborhoods to deploy based on pre-sign ups
(in Google terms - fiberhoods). This creates a huge
logistic problem in planning construction especially
with underground deployment. This also drove up costs.
Google is still investigating the wireless options.
What you will see from them should be a hybrid
network system. They will buy up dark fiber,
capacity on lit fiber, conduit space and whole fiber
systems where they can. They may use microwave to
cross connect systems or bridge high construction
cost areas such as railroad crossings. They are
looking at wireless to basically go more from the
curb to the customer, especially in MDU cases.
Existing competition and/or existing contracts
within an MDU makes it risky to do a wired play if
they cannot assure themselves of a huge take rate
within the MDU. I see their wireless play as more of
a high capacity short hop last mile, but even then
they will have challenges with spectrum,
interference and capacity.
While we all would think Google is a great company
with resources to do whatever they set their minds
to, keep in mind I have seen a lot from the inside.
I like to equate them to a group of thirty
somethings with ADD and too much money. They also
seem to have the attitude that older folks are too
far behind the times to possibly know what they are
talking about. Google is certainly not a utility
infrastructure company and lack the people, tools
and skill sets to be one. They are their own best
cheerleaders and they have a dangerous habit of
believing their own hype internally and are not real
good at listening to fresh viewpoints and outside input.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
<http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
They may have great RF engineers, but you still
cannot fit a camel through the eye of a needle.
-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so
smug with your WISP.
We're talking about one of the largest and most
powerful companies in the world though. Do you
really think they don't have some of the best RF
engineering talent in the world on their payroll?
They're not doing anything different than many of us
have done, which is evaluate the business case for
each technology and pick the most appropriate one
for the application. If it was going to cost you a
couple hundred thousand just to cross an
intersection, you'd be doing the same thing too.
It's the smart play.
At least they're not doing this in LEC style, which
would mean "saying they can't do it unless they
receive federal subsidies".
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
<par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
Wait until they experience ducting ;)
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Prince
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
It's apparently "too expensive" to do
underground fiber. At least in
San Jose.
Anyone know anything about Webpass?
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 8/10/2016 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Google Fiber considering fixed microwave
technology as alternative to
fiber.
Interesting times!
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/google-fiber-del
<http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/google-fiber-del>
ays-san-jose-project-may-switch-to-wireless-instead/?comments=1
