Holy dog's balls.   I'll just buy a tower LOL.

------ Original Message ------
From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 1:00:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

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-----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

You would need a rotator that doesn't have any backlash or a way to lock
it up.

On 09/13/2016 09:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yeah, an old TV rotator could do it.  Or a ham antenna rotator, those
are much more heavy duty.
*From:* Joe Novak <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:22 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
What about those old systems for aiming antennas on tripods from your
living room?
Is there anything like that remotely controlled that you could rig up?
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

    Antennas are the easy part.  Dual receivers and the voting circuit
    is the tricky part.
    *From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
    *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08 AM
    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
    Hmm...maybe it doesn't need two radios, but two antennas.  Like a
    spatial diversity setup.
    I wonder if McCown makes parts for that.
    ------ Original Message ------
From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com <mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>>
    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    Sent: 9/13/2016 12:02:57 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
    May not be a viable solution with an 11 ghz backhaul, but you
could install two radios, once that is on target in summer and one
    in winter, and switch between them without climbing at least.
    On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
    <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

When you look at the high voltage distribution lines with twin
        poles they through bolt hanger connectors on the poles and
        then hang the cross braces across the hangers.   Poles
        twisting then doesn't do anything but put tension or
compression on the cross bracing... Unless the poles actually
        start to lean, the cross bracing stays pretty much
immobile.. But putting two poles up pretty much brings it to
        the price of a tower.

        On 9/13/16 7:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

            I imagine the pole would win that tug of war over time.

            Looking at a photo of this pole, it has a noticeable
            curvature near the top. Maybe we'll move the dish below
            the curve and see if that helps.


            ------ Original Message ------
            From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
            <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
            To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
            Sent: 9/13/2016 10:44:11 AM
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

                For us they are and haven't hand problems with
                twisting.  We've got one with a link that's been
                steady for 6 years or more.  The problem is accessing
                the link on short notice since we don't know a bucket
                truck and operators are very busy.  It seems like you
                could put two wood posts on either side of the pole
and secure a 4x4 with large lag screws to keep it from
                twisting.

                Matt wrote:

                    I wonder if painting would help keep moisture
                    out?  Maybe its a
                    temperature thing too?

I always thought wood poles would be great for CPE
                    locations but now maybe not.


                    On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett
<dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
                    wrote:

                        I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an
                        AP and backhaul on it.  It's
                        been in the ground about 3 years now.

                        This past spring we noticed the signal drop
                        slowly on the backhaul over the
                        course of a month.  A climber went up and
                        adjusted it by about 9 degrees,
                        but he said the mount was tight when he got
                        there.  This past month the RSSI
on the backhaul has been slowly dropping again.

The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the
                        summer and drop in the
                        winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be
                        twisting as it soaks up moisture
                        and then dries out again.

                        Is this a problem that might diminish as the
                        pole ages, or is there perhaps
                        any possible remediation?  I guess the
                        permanent fix is a real tower or a
steel pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of
                        you old phone guys knows some
                        magic trick. Seems like if there was a wire
                        attached to this pole, that a 9
degree twist would put some wicked tension on it.










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